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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: SGT500]
      #3408474 - 10/24/09 03:57 PM

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Thanks Brent and David,

Btw, How are the cooling mods coming for the canon Xs models?




Hey Sal,
They are gettin there...I have been working pretty hard this week on them. I plan on having a working prototype by the end of Nov..

Thanks for asking!
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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: Alex Post]
      #3408475 - 10/24/09 03:58 PM

Based on what Samir stated, with my setup the max focal ratio i shoudl use is f/22. so f/20 was a good match for my camera

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: SGT500]
      #3408485 - 10/24/09 04:05 PM

It must have been, the results were great

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: Rankinstudio]
      #3408691 - 10/24/09 06:22 PM

Has anyone tried doing this with a Nikon? There is a similar app for the D3/D300/D700 that captures liveview video that I just found: http://ogiroux.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/your-d700-shoots-video-too/

I'm going to give it a try with my d300 as soon as the weather clears (so maybe next year or something?)...

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: Rankinstudio]
      #3408708 - 10/24/09 06:28 PM

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It must have been, the results were great




thank you again

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: kabes]
      #3408709 - 10/24/09 06:29 PM

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Has anyone tried doing this with a Nikon? There is a similar app for the D3/D300/D700 that captures liveview video that I just found: http://ogiroux.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/your-d700-shoots-video-too/

I'm going to give it a try with my d300 as soon as the weather clears (so maybe next year or something?)...




I dont know of any but i would think that the process would be the same as recording video with a canon. Im sure it would work.

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: Samir Kharusi]
      #3409463 - 10/25/09 07:49 AM

Samir,

Just like to mention that in those quick modes (faster frame rate), i.e., in Liveview, camera video out, and even in movie mode, these is the subsampling* in DSLR body. Basically, there is insufficient time to read all pixels in the sensor.
So in the pixel size calculation, treat mid-point virtual boundary line in other unused/unread pixels as part of the "jumbo pixel". Naturally, such jumbo pixel is super inefficient, only the central region is used .


For now, ignore the following, non-fixed-sized font kills the character art illustration.
(Cut-n-paste into NOTEPAD program to see it.)

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rgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg
gbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb
RGrg|rgRGrg|rgRGrg|rgRGrg
GBgb|gbGBgb|gbGBgb|gbGBgb
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gbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb
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GBgb|gbGBgb|gbGBgb|gbGBgb
rgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg
gbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb


RG
GB are active pixels

rg
gb are unused pixels


(try again)
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rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg
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rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg
gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb
rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg|rgrgrg
gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb|gbgbgb

The above example shows for every 36 pixel (jumbo pixel) region, only 4 pixels in the center are active.


P.S. I only show simple case, some designs have limited one axis like-color off-sensor pixels summing.

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: SGT500]
      #3409492 - 10/25/09 08:23 AM

Sal,

Glad to see data compression did not hurt image quality too much.

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: kabes]
      #3409506 - 10/25/09 08:35 AM

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Has anyone tried doing this with a Nikon? There is a similar app for the D3/D300/D700 that captures liveview video that I just found: http://ogiroux.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/your-d700-shoots-video-too/

I'm going to give it a try with my d300 as soon as the weather clears (so maybe next year or something?)...




That's an interesting suggestion.
Don't know if "star eater" algorithm would be kicked in during Liveview situation or not...

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #3409537 - 10/25/09 09:07 AM

Perhaps you could put that in simpler English? My mother tongue is Swahili What are you trying to say? Use a larger effective pixel size? How large? That very likely applies when you shoot in one of the HD Video modes in which many suspect is a simple non-Read of in-between pixels, so that the line count ends up at 1080 (or 720). But in LiveView mode it does look like each pixel does get read, especially at the 5x magnification that ImagesPlus uses to record. The frames per second does seem a lot slower than 30fps though. Perhaps that's how the camera copes? Or do your comments apply to LiveView without the 5x (or 10x) magnification?

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: Samir Kharusi]
      #3409664 - 10/25/09 10:42 AM

Samir,

Liveview during 5x and 10x magnification is ROI (Region of interest) selected readout. So in a properly designed DSLR Liveview, there is little or no subsampling taken place.

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr new [Re: ccs_hello]
      #3409772 - 10/25/09 11:41 AM

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Samir,

Liveview during 5x and 10x magnification is ROI (Region of interest) selected readout. So in a properly designed DSLR Liveview, there is little or no subsampling taken place.

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Good to know. thank you

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Re: Planetary Imaging With Dslr [Re: ccs_hello]
      #3411097 - 10/25/09 11:57 PM

Just a note/info from the SourceForge EOS Movrec
resolution:
450D - 848x560,
40D, 50D - 1024x680,
1000D - 768x512

compression algorithm: M-JPEG encapsulated in AVI

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