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Dave Mitsky
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Re: Veil, catseye, and lagoon new [Re: BillFerris]
      #3410527 - 10/25/09 05:52 PM

Why not continue the trend to super large, mega large, ultra large, and gargantuan? Don't consider going the other direction, however, as in very small, tiny, and miniscule.

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Re: Veil, catseye, and lagoon new [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #3410541 - 10/25/09 06:03 PM

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Why not continue the trend to super large, mega large, ultra large, and gargantuan? Don't consider going the other direction, however, as in very small, tiny, and miniscule.

Dave Mitsky




Hey. I'm thinking of starting a new trend. Opera oculars at starparties or better yet a jeweler's loupe.

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Re: Veil, catseye, and lagoon new [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #3410822 - 10/25/09 09:11 PM

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Why not continue the trend to super large, mega large, ultra large, and gargantuan? Don't consider going the other direction, however, as in very small, tiny, and miniscule.

Dave Mitsky




When I squint my eyes, I call it microperture.

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Re: Veil, catseye, and lagoon new [Re: BillFerris]
      #3411232 - 10/26/09 03:05 AM

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David,

Traditionally is the key word. Times have changed. Why modify large and not the other two categories?

Small - up to 10 inches
Medium - 10 to 20 inches
Large - above 20 inches

Dave Mitsky




I prefer a scale determined by the aperture increase required to deliver a full magnitude gain in limiting magnitude. In other words, a scale where an increase of 60% in aperture establishes the cutoff between one category and another.

Sample Apertures
Small: 5 inch
Medium: 8 inch
Large: 12.5 inch

I agree with those who believe the scale should be revised to reflect current trends in the hobby. That said, any revised scale should acknowledge that traditionally small apertures are still in wide use. This isn't like the NFL where you just don't see 200 lb. offensive linemen, anymore. The 60 mm refractor is still ubiquitous, and 6 inch and smaller Newtonians are still very popular.

Within that context, I've revised the scale to add new large aperture categories.

Very Large: 20 inch
Extremely Large: 32 inch

Taken together with the traditional categories, this scale probably accounts for 99.99% (or more) of all amateur telescopes. Good 'nuff for gov'ment work.

Bill in Flag




Yes, this is not only logical but inclusive (a concept the IAU seemed to be lacking in their understanding of object classification). However, the break-points between the classes you didn't quite define. I could agree that anything under a five inch aperture would be small, but is the 8 inch in the mid-range of medium or is it at the upper end of that class?

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Re: Veil, catseye, and lagoon [Re: BillFerris]
      #3411244 - 10/26/09 03:30 AM

OK.... The Veil Nebula will be difficult due to its sheer apparent size in the sky. I use my piggyback scope for this, as my 8" SCT can't grasp its propensity. As for the Cat's Eye, I would reccomend your 8" due to the aperture. You should be able to see it from even dismal skies. Also, the Lagoon nebula is fantastic.... Though with an 8", you'll need a sufficiently wide field eyepiece to view it in all its beauty (IMO at least). Enjoy!

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