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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: waassaabee]
      #2968942 - 03/07/09 01:37 AM

Definitely stay on them. I had sent mine cg5 back with a VERY detail list of all that was wrong. 7 items on the list mount came back with 5 fixed and 2 new. Wait time: 2 months. Mount goes back now with another VERY detailed list of the two issues from before and the two new issues, comes back perfect. Wait time: 1.5 months and a new mount.

*BLEEP* poor service if you ask me. No reason was ever given as to why my second turn around wasn't immediate. It's my belief the only reason I got it back after a month and a half and a new one at that is I was calling twice a week to check the status.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: waassaabee]
      #2968950 - 03/07/09 01:45 AM

If you folks are getting through to (them?) I congratulate you... I spend 30 minutes holding today before giving up.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: gustave]
      #2969012 - 03/07/09 03:27 AM

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Celestron Customer Service just emailed me that they received my CPC 11 (fails to power up) after being shipped from NJ and that I would have to wait at least, probably more, than 30 days before it's shipped back. I can have it pushed up to the top of the list for $150.




Incredible if this is really what they told you - not that I doubt it, it's just that it's a rather poor way to keep customers. My last purchases have been products from Televue, Stellarvue, Astrotech, Focus Knobs, AMD Accessories, Kendrick, and Astro-zap, all of whom are excellent to deal with and will bend over backward to help you. Meade and Celestron aren't anywhere on my list of future purchases and won't be for a long time.


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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: 7331Peg]
      #2969122 - 03/07/09 07:10 AM

Hi folks - I don't want to even begin to "censor" anyone and I'm not in any way trying to whitewash any of these complaints. That said, I'm not at all interested in creating a "perma-rant" thread either, and this is definitely where this thread has trended. This tends to generate the type of response that 7331Peg has just posted here:

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Meade and Celestron aren't anywhere on my list of future purchases and won't be for a long time.




Here's what I am uncomfortable with about this:

  • There's no way to really know just how common these bad experiences really are
  • We do not know what the back story from Celestron or Meade is on these issues
  • We do not even know for certain if the events related here truly happened the way they are related (I'm certainly not calling anyone out here, I'm just saying that it happens more often than you'd think - for more reasons than I can count)
  • At this time when you break it down we have 23 posts in the thread but only 6 actual complaints - it is a fact that you are far more likely to hear from dissatisfied customers than those who got what they expected and moved on.

I'd really like to see if we can get more responses from folks who either basically got what they expected out of the customer service or had a great experience with Celestron customer service, but believe me when I say that I'm just as okay with fielding more complaints. I'd mostly like to see the "customer service experience - per - post" ratio go way up. That will ramp the "rant factor" way down and make me a lot more comfortable here - even if the news is bad.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Charlie Hein]
      #2970997 - 03/08/09 04:08 AM

Never intended to step on any one's toes on this - and I do understand your concerns. My experience with Celestron customer service has not been good either - on hold forever, vague advice or poor advice - and when I had a CGE hand controller shipped back to me after a four week wait, the software in it was installed improperly, resulting in the mount pointing the scope at the ground. I went online and downloaded an update and hoped it would work, which it did, fortunately. At any rate, I'll bow out of this discussion now.

Edited by 7331Peg (03/08/09 04:11 AM)


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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: 7331Peg]
      #2971089 - 03/08/09 07:09 AM

"We do not even know for certain if the events related here truly happened the way they are related (I'm certainly not calling anyone out here, I'm just saying that it happens more often than you'd think - for more reasons than I can count)"


Charlie,
The complaints I reference in my post are all recent and if you check my posts here on CN you will find my participation in threads about each of them. Why cast doubt on the 'events as related' to my or the others posts in regard to the customer service?... where's that comin from?

The complaints about the PA shift and DEC runaway are on threads in this MOUNT forum.
The complaints about software are in the SOFTWARE forum.

Anyone is welcome to go into the user list "see all users posts" and verify this.
I've not posted about the mount leg movement but was intending to if and when I got any response from them - I never have - and have a tuff time getting through on the phone.

The OP asked a question about this companies after sale support, a reasonable question. There is a huge difference in the 'product' and 'after sales product support'. It was an open door for good and bad in after sales product support? So folks aren't queueing in line to say good things... why cast doubt on those of us that truthfully relate the less than desirable.

I do give the product "CGE" credit and say good things about it (with the caveat of what I consider 'known issues'). The after sales support has been absolutely terrible - but again - 2 different things entirely.

I think it more a crime to promote intimidating fanboyism - like I expect the sun to shine out their ... and if it doesn't - I am incompetent, or a statistical anomoly.

Certainly by posting about problems the company will not address is a strength of a forum like this - and 2 of the above issues have found relative solutions in the CN user base - I think that is great.

But I also think it important that if a company is falling down in after sales product support, they be called out on it instead of the customers... no matter how long the company has been out there.

There are companies that pride themselvs on taking care of the customer, and who's to know the difference if we cant be honest?

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #2971577 - 03/08/09 01:06 PM

I have to say I see both sides of the problem. As a veteran engineer in a relatively small high tech company with a very focused niche market but a wide variety of products, I see these exact same issues with our own operation. Thus, I should have known better than to be an early adopter on the CGEM, although I'd waited long enough for the first couple of reports to come in before I jumped. Unfortunately I don't think those really told the whole picture.

Working in an engineering department that seems to spend more of its time reacting to customer problems than we do developing new products, it's easy to get the feeling that we don't have any happy customers and that we can't ship a single thing out the door that works! However, as my boss reminds me on occasion when I'm ready to roll some heads, that's not really the case. We ship millions of dollars in product each month made up of 100s of different product lines from a manufacturing facility of less than 100 manufacturing employees. MOST of those ship and arrive without a hitch, but some percentage are problem designs and some percentage someone somewhere along the line manages to royally screw up! THOSE are the ones I end up seeing, and so from that perspective it would appear we just don't know what we're doing!

So, from my perspective, while I understand what's likely happening at Celestron, I know that our customers aren't happy when it happens to them; I'm not happy when I see it happen to them; and I'm also not happy when it happens to me from Celestron or any other vendor. Still, there's a significant difference between being understanding about why it's happening (which when no one SHARES why it's happening makes that difficult) and believing that it's acceptable to receive a defective product and then take forever to get a repair/replacement. While I may not be losing the business income that my company's customers might while they're waiting on us to respond, I am still losing time/money. I'm losing the ROI that the money I spent on a Celestron product could have given me if spent elsewhere (granted return on investment in the market sucks right now, but I'm actually refering to buying something else I could be enjoying now) or just left in the bank. I'm also losing the time that I would have spent using the product that I'll never get back. Not to get too morbid here, but I am starting to get a sense of my own mortality and the fact that I need to enjoy things while I can! If nothing else, I'm probably losing the time out of my two year Celestron warranty! So it's not like the quality of their product and/or customer service isn't costing me anything either. And it certainly costs the manufacturer, both in direct cost (having to repair something that shouldn't have broken to begin with) and in customer perception and repeat sales.

And on that last point, while I agree that there is the squeaky wheel behavior that means that maybe only problems get posted to sites like this, it still is good to let potential buyers know that there is a chance they'll get into the same situation. As with all information on the internet, it's up to the consumer of that information to decide just how much/who to believe. Kind of like it's up to the consumer of a product to decide who to buy from.

And while I'm on a roll here, I wanted to share another realization after visiting one of the (not so) "happiest places on earth". It struck me that many organizations have come to define "customer service" as having a smile for the customer. It's all about just being nice (which is of course important) but not about actually solving the customer's problem. To me, good customer service means solving the customer's problem with a smile, since they typically DO have a reason to be a bit irate. Really great customer service includes doing a bit extra to help alleviate any frustration (and Telescopes.com has given me GREAT customer service, BTW). But telling me, "Sorry, but there's nothing I can do to help.", which is what I have typically heard from Celestron, is NOT good customer service.

Ok, end-rant!

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Lord Beowulf]
      #2972980 - 03/09/09 01:05 AM

I've had three opportunities to sample the customer service at Celestron over the past three years. All three times involved long waits on the phone to speak with someone. One resulted in my call being transfered to someone else since the original tech who answered my call was not able to answer my question - second one did. In all three cases I got the help or service I needed, though one time took five weeks between the time I sent the item for repair (cge electronics pier) and I received the repaired one (actually replaced with new) back. Over all I'd give them a "B" for a grade and offer suggestions for improvement.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: SleepIsWrong]
      #3396629 - 10/18/09 05:24 PM

Chalk me up as another one that will have to deal with Celestron customer service in the AM and I'm nervous after reading these comments. My MC board appears to be bad, it does runaway slews on its own that started after I flashed it to the latest firmware. Whether this is the cause or if its just pure coincidence is up for debate but the fact of the matter is, I have a scope that is less than 3 months old that sounds sick when it slews left and right and does runaway slews without even being prompted to go anywhere. I've tried the power tank with two different cables (the one that comes with the scope and the one that comes with the tank) on a full charged tank as well as using the hookup to the car and all had the same results. After reading these comments, I'm wondering how long it will take to receive the scope back once I send it.

Out of curiosity, can you ever get your money back on a scope from Celestron? I know that's probably a silly question but I thought I'd ask it.


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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Moezilla]
      #3396650 - 10/18/09 05:33 PM

I can think of three company's that would break their back to fix any problem a person had. Starmaster, AP and Obsession. And i'm sure there many more companys that would do whatever it took to fix a problem. Meade and the big C should learn how to deal with problems.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Moezilla]
      #3396691 - 10/18/09 05:51 PM

I guess I'll step up to the moderator's request and post a positive experience dealing with Celestron's customer service. About 6 months ago I purchased a "new" C6 from a well know firm that advertises in all the usual places (ie, the vast majority of you would recognize the name). When the scope arrived, the corrector was stained, there were scratch marks on the dove tail, and the finder and bracket were missing. So clearly, this was not a new scope. I contacted the company who was willing to take it back but as I live in the LA area, I decided to drive over to Celestron to a) report what had happened and b) see if they would repair it as warrenty. (As a note on ethics, I later felt it was wrong to take it to Celestron as the company who sold me this should have eaten the costs, but at the time I just wanted it solved quickly and it didn't occur to me at the time). So I just walked into C's repair facility in Torrance and a very courteous tech came out, seemed to be truly upset that this had been sold as new (he contacted the firm that sold it to me while I was there). Told me that he would get me a new one, would personally be sure that it was well collimated and in top condition. The new unit was shipped to me a week or so later. So happy camper.

I'll agree that it is hard to get someone on the line, though. I had to make a call or two to arrange shipping as I was out of town for part of this period and it was the usual "press 3 to return to where you started routine.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Moezilla]
      #3396715 - 10/18/09 06:06 PM

Hello Moezilla,

Quote:

Chalk me up as another one that will have to deal with Celestron customer service in the AM and I'm nervous after reading these comments. My MC board appears to be bad, it does runaway slews on its own that started after I flashed it to the latest firmware. <SNIPPED> I'm wondering how long it will take to receive the scope back once I send it.

Out of curiosity, can you ever get your money back on a scope from Celestron? I know that's probably a silly question but I thought I'd ask it.




Sorry to hear about your problems there - new equipment that's duff always sucks.

That said..,

Did you buy your mount directly from Celestron, or something? If not..,

Did you deal with your reseller in processing your support issue?

Can you not simply return and negotiate with your reseller in dealing with your problem?

I realise that it may be different where you are, but here in the UK, we'd have to go via the reseller at least initially.

Even though there's a UK Celestron distributor that supplies all UK shops selling Celestron products, if you receive a duff scope / mount from a shop, you can return it to the shop, and they deal with the distributor - not you.

In a few cases, subject to warranty, stock and circumstances, the shop will even replace your duff product themselves.

Best of luck otherwise..,

Regards,

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: skybsd]
      #3397046 - 10/18/09 09:17 PM

I haven't called anyone yet and I bought it from a scope shop in NE that is well known (no name mentioned) but all I saw on their site was a 30 day return option. Nothing is mentioned anywhere about anything past 30 days so I thought that would just mean it had to go to the manufacturer.

Glad to hear about your positive experience Astro, I hope to be able to post a positive experience here as well. I'm just frustrated that an expensive piece of hardware can go bad so quick. It's one thing for a 5 pound, $100 item to go bad that needs to go back for fixing and another when it's 60+ pounds and near 3 grand.


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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: astrobeast]
      #3397111 - 10/18/09 09:54 PM

I will be on the satisfied list also. The hand controller for my CGEM quits after a total of twenty minutes use. After a little discussion via email they sent me a shipping label for the defective one and are mailing a new one now. That is the way customer service should be.

Mark


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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Stew57]
      #3397307 - 10/19/09 12:30 AM

I would be super thrilled if they did that for me but I doubt they'd ship me a scope and have me send back mine. Would be nice though since it's less than 90 days old.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: Moezilla]
      #3397905 - 10/19/09 12:11 PM

Yo Moe...zilla!! I hope you get the service from Celestron that I got!! Even though mine was non warranty, they not only replaced my M/C board, but gave the CG5 a complete once over! I just wish the CFO hadn't 'convinced' me to sell it afterwards... Hey it took them almost 3 months to get it back to me so I 'had' to buy a CGEM in the meantime.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service new [Re: waassaabee]
      #3398787 - 10/19/09 07:27 PM

Thanks Gary, I hope I get the same treatment you did! I called them this morning and the guy I spoke with recommended I send it in to be fixed. Gave me an RA# and sent me a shipping label, since it's under warranty I don't pay a dime. The scope's all packed up, I'm gonna miss my little buddy but I hope he comes back even better than when I got him. They said 30 working days to get it fixed, including shipping times so this is going to be a long six weeks.

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Re: Celestron Customer Service [Re: Stew57]
      #3415291 - 10/28/09 12:38 AM

Well the new controller came but it is not the right firmware. It has a note that says it must be updated before using on my mount. What are they nuts? They knew what I needed and sent something else. Now I have to buy a usb to serial cable or find someone with a serial port pc and update before I can use my scope. Not good service for a new device. It may not be alot to some of you but to me it was alot of money and took some negotiations with the wife to get. They should have sent an exact replacement. Oh well if ota wasn't as good as the hype I would be mad, as it is just real disappointed in celestron customer service. If I had known they were not going to send the same controller as original I would have bought the cable already and had it waiting and ready. Not sure I will make a big purchase from them again. Probably should went with the Atlas and an AP ota. So put me down as a c- on the satisfaction list.

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