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deSitter
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Some time ago I mentioned here seeing the inside of the crater Atlas illuminated by its far wall, which was in bright sunlight. Well user orionthehunters has photographed exactly what I saw that night, including the two peaks like eyes staring out of the crater!
http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=11917
The lighting conditions are about as identical as could be expected. This is something to look for each time Atlas comes onto the terminator after the full Moon. The next such opportunity comes on the night of 11/5-6 for observers in Europe and Africa.
-drl
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desertstars
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I've seen central peaks catching the sun at their tips many times, but it never occurred to me to look for illumination of the crater floor cast back by a sunlit inner wall. I'll have to watch for that in the future.
-------------------- Tom W.
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Jim Mosher
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Danny,
There is no doubt that what appear to us to be the shadowed interiors of craters are dimly lit by Earthshine and light reflected from sunlit walls, but I see no compelling evidence of that in the image of Atlas by "orionthehunters". You might wish to compare it with images at slightly lower and higher sun angles by Helmut Groell and Carmelo Zannelli in the LPOD Photo Gallery, where the illumination appears to be by direct solar lighting (coming from the left).
The additional dimly-lit rings that become visible inside and outside the bright sunlit rim of Atlas when the contrast of "orionthehunters" image is manipulated appear to be processing artifacts.
Atlas does have an extensive slumped area at the base of the eastern wall, but I see no reason to think that it, or the central peaks, are being illuminated by anything other than direct sunlight. That's not to say you couldn't have seen secondary lighting on the floor visually, and that it resembled this pattern, but I don't think the photo has captured it (the halo in the darkness outside Atlas' rim seems especially suspicious to me).
-- Jim
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desertstars
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Still, even if the effect he sees in the image is an artifact, it seems to me a useful illusion. I'm hoping it will make it easier for me to spot the effect, when the chance comes.
-------------------- Tom W.
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Jim Mosher
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Tom,
Good luck looking for the shadowed interior of Atlas illuminated by reflected light. I think one has a better chance of seeing such an effect in smaller, fresher craters with more highly reflecting walls; and I'm not sure I understand how processing artifacts (if that's what they are) provide insight into what one would expect to see.
The signature of illumination by reflected light from crater inner walls is a pattern of light and shadow reversed (because the direction of incidence is reversed) from what one would expect from direct sunlight. The pattern might also be expected to become more obvious as the direct illumination of the area fades.
The attachment shows, in the lower left, an August 19, 2008 AstronoMinsk image of the central peaks of Atlas catching (as you describe) the last rays of direct sunlight, at sunset. In the lower right I have attempted to portray what one might expect to see if, after the directly-lit peaks fade, the floor became visible, illuminated from the east by the sunlit east inner wall (as at sunrise, but much more dimly). The simulation was created by using Photoshop to paste in a dimmed version of the floor (and peaks) as they appear with direct sunrise illumination in the Consolidated Lunar Atlas.
Since from the point of view of someone on the lunar surface the inner wall of a crater is a much broader, somewhat lower, and much closer light source than the rising Sun, the shadows would actually be longer and more diffuse, and the floor illumination would show more fall-off as one moves away from the wall; but the point is: one would expect to see the central peaks dimly lit on their eastern sides (to the right in this view), with shadows cast to the west (left). The illumination from Earthshine (which would be exceedingly dim in this case) adds another component that (as seen from Earth) is expected to be shadowless, and essentially the same as the albedo pattern we see at Full Moon.
My intuition is that this would be an extremely difficult observation. Visually, most of us would probably be lucky to detect even a hint of indirectly-lit texture on the shadowed floor, let alone to be sure of its details. Photographically, illumination of shadowed crater interiors by reflected light has certainly been captured by spacecraft orbiting the Moon (the most famous recent case being photography of the interior of Shackleton by Kaguya), but I don't recall having seen a convincing example captured from Earth.
A possible example are the 2003 photos of Tycho by Brendan Shaw shown under "Observing programme 4" on the BAA TLP page, which may show the central peak faintly illuminated by the sunlit west rim, long before the rising Sun directly illuminated it from the opposite side. But even Brendan doesn't claim to have had the sensitivity necessary to see any detail on the floor proper, so it can't be confirmed that the purported peak is casting a shadow to the east.
-- Jim
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