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actionhac
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Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new
      #3414530 - 10/27/09 05:30 PM

If you had to choose, which one would you pick? and why?

Used, close in price.
Same aperture, same focal length.
RV-6 has a small secondary obstruction.
C6-R will have some CA on bright objects.

Robert


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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: actionhac]
      #3414977 - 10/27/09 09:29 PM

I see your question is not getting much of a response. So I'll offer what I can. I don't know what a C6-R 6"f8 is. But because you said it would have CA I guess it must be a achro refractor. If so the refractor will be heavier and need a robust mount. The RV6's optically are typically excellent. The factory mount is nothing to be proud of but it's adequate for visual use. I've compared the RV6 side by side with a 6 inch f8 older version AP triplet and the RV6 won hands down optically. That old AP refractor I've seen recently selling for over $5000. The venerable RV6 is often offered at very reasonable prices on the internet. Not sure I answered your question but maybe this will help to get some discussion on your thread. Good luck.
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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: Bonco]
      #3415057 - 10/27/09 10:14 PM

Thanks Bill.
The Celestron C6-R is a made by Synta in China 6"f8 achromat that seems to be very popular and somewhat inexpensive for this size of refractor.
I remember the RV-6 having a reputation for excellent optics and I think you partially answered my question with the AP 6" comparison.
We classic scope users just take high optical quality for granted. Just wondering how what is almost a modern equivalent to the RV-6 a general purpose scope for the masses stacks up against the old standard.

Robert


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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: actionhac]
      #3415090 - 10/27/09 10:29 PM

Hi Robert:

RV-6 by a landslide. The Synta refractor will be full of CA, not just a little bit. At low power, it will be fine, but at high power it will be annoying. My 6" f/10 Jaegers is fine for resolving subtle detail on Jupiter, but I can't shoot in color, because Jupiter is green with purple belts even with a Baader contrast booster.

My 6" f/10 Newt (Clearvue Optics primary/secondary) resolves finer detail than my excellent orange tube C-8.

-Tim.

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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: actionhac]
      #3415173 - 10/27/09 11:06 PM

I have both. The RV6 eats the refractor on everything but one- the widest field of view with a stock RV6 with a 32mm 50 deg eyepiece is 1.3 degrees. But wirh a 40mm 70deg eyepiece the 6" f8 refractor will get you 30X with a field of view of 2.3 degrees. one could modify the RV6 with a bigger diagonal and change to a 2" low profile focuser but I wouldn't do it.

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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: charles genovese]
      #3415379 - 10/28/09 02:14 AM

Looks like the old RV-6 is still hard to beat. I had a feeling this might be the case and not just my rose tinted glasses.

Robert


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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: actionhac]
      #3415540 - 10/28/09 07:01 AM

With the quality of the RV-6 optics I would say it would be better for most objects. There are just too many variables with the celestron yard cannon. Put that RV-6 on a modern mount and give it a good focuser and you would have an amazing scope. I would still try to keep the origional mount in good shape and maybe even the origional focuser but I would not use them with it.

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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: actionhac]
      #3415575 - 10/28/09 07:40 AM

Quote:

If you had to choose, which one would you pick? and why?

Used, close in price.
Same aperture, same focal length.
RV-6 has a small secondary obstruction.
C6-R will have some CA on bright objects.

Robert




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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: rmollise]
      #3419199 - 10/29/09 09:45 PM



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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: Mr Magoo]
      #3419251 - 10/29/09 10:21 PM

I'm what you

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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: Mr Magoo]
      #3419274 - 10/29/09 10:33 PM

I'm what you'd call a NEWTIST, so obviously I'm going with the RV-6. The Newts eyepiece is always at a convenient hieght. The view from an RV-6 is crisp and color correct. Oh yeah and the best part...
MADE IN THE U S A WHOOHOO!

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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? new [Re: mattyfatz]
      #3419963 - 10/30/09 11:07 AM

Thanks guys. If I were an owner of a Synta product I'd feel like tossin' it in the trash. You helped make my day.

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Re: Criterion RV-6 6"f8 or Celestron C6-R 6"f8? [Re: mikey cee]
      #3420230 - 10/30/09 01:41 PM

Have to against the grain here, at least somewhat. I can say nothing about the RV-6, having never used one. But I'll assume it is excellent.
The C6R, on the other hand, I do own.
Contrary to popular belief, it is not overloaded with CA. Yes, it is there, but it leans toward the upper end of the violet, an almost blacklight effect. Very easy to ignore. And it doesn't increase much with power. I use mine in the 240x range constantly. And if you really can't put up with the CA at all, Baader makes a filter called the Semi-Apo which will effectively remove most of the CA present, without altering the color balance. And it is a great scope otherwise optically. It does have the balance problem, being nose heavy, and it is a fairly heavy and long OTA. But it does allow use of 2" ep's. Overall a killer deal for a large achro.
I bought mine nearly two years ago, and have no complaints about it's optics.

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