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groz
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Reged: 03/14/07
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Loc: Duncan, BC
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Ok, just saw a reference to this thread from another forum. I saw the 5 star gadget mentioned elsewhere, and promptly went off to ebay to see it. What can I say, at that price, it was impossible not to hit the 'buy now' button. I cant praise the shipping / delivery enough, from your side of the pond, delivered to my doorstep in Canada, in less than a week. timing was very fortuitous, we were leaving for a weekend at a very dark location, and the little gadget arrived in the mail about an hour before we left.
My sct was collimated better than it's ever been that night, and, I did the collimation in broad daylight.
But, I do have a question now, after reading about the overheating issue on earlier ones. When mine arrived, the diffuser and the little 5 hole faceplate did fall out when I was putting in the batteries the first time. When re-assembling, should the black side be on the inside facing the leds, or on the outside facing the telescope? I'm wondering if the black paint is part of the 'heat fix', and, it needs to be inside? I put it the other way around when I re-assembled, and haven't noticed any problems yet, but if this is a problem, I'd like to pre-empt it now.
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jimarshall
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Reged: 03/20/07
Posts: 206
Loc: Virginia
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Ok, just saw a reference to this thread from another forum. I saw the 5 star gadget mentioned elsewhere, and promptly went off to ebay to see it. What can I say, at that price, it was impossible not to hit the 'buy now' button. I cant praise the shipping / delivery enough, from your side of the pond, delivered to my doorstep in Canada, in less than a week. timing was very fortuitous, we were leaving for a weekend at a very dark location, and the little gadget arrived in the mail about an hour before we left.
My sct was collimated better than it's ever been that night, and, I did the collimation in broad daylight.
But, I do have a question now, after reading about the overheating issue on earlier ones. When mine arrived, the diffuser and the little 5 hole faceplate did fall out when I was putting in the batteries the first time. When re-assembling, should the black side be on the inside facing the leds, or on the outside facing the telescope? I'm wondering if the black paint is part of the 'heat fix', and, it needs to be inside? I put it the other way around when I re-assembled, and haven't noticed any problems yet, but if this is a problem, I'd like to pre-empt it now.
Yes, black to the inside.
-------------------- Jim
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varmint
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Reged: 02/10/07
Posts: 1209
Loc: Pacifica, CA, USA
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Hi Kevin,
The formula M = 336 D / F^3 (D is in inch, F is the focal ratio) was derived by Roger W. Sinnott (Sky and Tel, May, 1991) based on Ray trace for Newtonian reflector, included in Suiter's book. Actually, as Suiter pointed out in his book (5.3.4), this will give "incorrect distance" for SCT. Suiter suggested M of 24 for a 8" f/10 SCT for a real star test. Our experience and Ray trace indicate that you do need at least this far for a real star test but not nearly as this far for an excellent collimation. To do a perfect collimation, you do need to go as far as to see the Airy disk! This has to be done by experiment for your scope.
However, you still can go much closer to do a (at least a preliminary)star test as long as you can focus on the star, and as long as you know what kind of impact/aberration the closer distance will introduce (yes, spherical aberration!)
We will make a clarification on this formula on our web site. Thank you for raising this question.
-Tong
I picked one of these up from AgenaAstro (Manish), and got to play around during the day with my SCT. I setup my scope in the shade of my "porch", which is elevated about 10 ft above the sidewalk, and pointed down the street. I mounted this artificial star by taping it to my grab-n-go mount and had my kids tend to it while I setup and aligned.
I could clearly get everything in focus at >130ft, and had to us a 80mm extension tube when I pushed it close to 70ft, but it was really difficult to see any diffraction patterns because of the daylight. Now, I wasn't really expecting this to work in broad daylight, but I thought I read some had had success and figured to give it a try (and it was a way to keep the kids out of my wife's hair for an hour or so).
My question: can this be used in the daytime, but not out in daylight? Or do I have to wait for dusk? I'll give it a whirl at dusk tonight when the sun is not quite set, but our street is cast in shadow.
I'll also try and figure out how close I can get with my setup for those who may be interested in SCT land.
-------------------- Clear Skies,
Jim
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"Do, or do not. There is no try."-Jedi Master Yoda
Scopes: CGE925, 80ED, NP127is (w/ADM acc.)
EPs: Naglers: 31, 22, 17, 9, 3.5 Pan’s: 15
Misc: Telrad, 2x&4x Powermate, Sol/OIII/UHC/Var Pol. Filters
Imaging Gear: Pentax K100D, SPC900NC
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varmint
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Loc: Pacifica, CA, USA
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Ok, I think I found a decent setup in my yard, even during the daylight I could see some diffraction rings on the brighter "stars" when 86 ft away (my son and I measured!) 
I am attaching a crude composite photo (done in less than 10 minutes!) showing my setup to achieve this (sorry the afocal shot is pretty horrible, but you can easily make out 3 of the 5 "stars" in the EP I can see all 5). If 86 ft is too close then I can flip the scope to point up the street to the East and get as much distance as I want (I'll just have the neighbors wondering what the heck is going on and probably have to enlist my boys to tend the mount for that exercise).
-------------------- Clear Skies,
Jim
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"Do, or do not. There is no try."-Jedi Master Yoda
Scopes: CGE925, 80ED, NP127is (w/ADM acc.)
EPs: Naglers: 31, 22, 17, 9, 3.5 Pan’s: 15
Misc: Telrad, 2x&4x Powermate, Sol/OIII/UHC/Var Pol. Filters
Imaging Gear: Pentax K100D, SPC900NC
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varmint
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Loc: Pacifica, CA, USA
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Wow, it really works, even at 86 ft. I just have to keep direct sunlight off the artificial star so there's enough contrast to see the "airy disc" and you're good to go. I can't wait to see it against the stars tonight, my scope was pretty decently (and quite noticeably) out of collimation. Now I feel it's pretty darn spot on.
-------------------- Clear Skies,
Jim
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"Do, or do not. There is no try."-Jedi Master Yoda
Scopes: CGE925, 80ED, NP127is (w/ADM acc.)
EPs: Naglers: 31, 22, 17, 9, 3.5 Pan’s: 15
Misc: Telrad, 2x&4x Powermate, Sol/OIII/UHC/Var Pol. Filters
Imaging Gear: Pentax K100D, SPC900NC
Edited by varmint (06/21/09 11:35 PM)
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hubble-optics
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Reged: 05/02/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Arlington, VA
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A great article by Greg Nowell: SCT Collimation under Adverse Circumstances
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Preston Smith
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Just ordered one from Agena Astroproducts!
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
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hubble-optics
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Reged: 05/02/07
Posts: 52
Loc: Arlington, VA
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We proudly announce that Hubble 5-star Artificial Star has been featured in
(1) The New Product Showcase page (p.40) of the September issue of Sky & Telescope
(2) The July/August (Vol 3 Issue 4) of Astronomy Technoloy Today (http://astronomytechnologytoday.com) New Products Section (page 28)
Thank you for your continue support!
Tong
Hubble Optics
Edited by hubble-optics (08/20/09 04:00 AM)
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drago
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Loc: Latvia
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this artifical star is can be possible to used for roddier tests?
-------------------- Sky-Watcher 100ed refractor on old HEQ5
Sky-Watcher 15075 refractor on EQ5 with motors
Orion Optics Europe 200 F6 newton
wo 66sd on modified synta AZ3
npz 8x50 seeker
18x50 beer bottle telescope
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hubble-optics
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Loc: Arlington, VA
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Sorry for the late response. Yes, absolutely.
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drago
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ok. try to test in this purpose too, in near future. today received subj
-------------------- Sky-Watcher 100ed refractor on old HEQ5
Sky-Watcher 15075 refractor on EQ5 with motors
Orion Optics Europe 200 F6 newton
wo 66sd on modified synta AZ3
npz 8x50 seeker
18x50 beer bottle telescope
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