Joe Lalumia
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Further updates------- I received another email from the Mayor copying me on his communication with Parks Dept. and Planning and Zoning. He requested that they investigate our proposal and report back to the City Council on their findings and recommendations. It's moving ALONG!
Thanks again to CN and the moderators for posting the presentation and for this separate forum on light pollution initiatives.
Joe
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Edited by Joe Lalumia (02/28/08 12:20 PM)
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Tombstone Sky
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Joe - I know others have said to pretty much dump the environmental the global warming issues, but I have to disagree. I think these issues are important to politicians. I agree you can't sell light-pollution solutions on environmental alone. Politicians need to see the tax-dollar-flow, and regardless of underlying issues, projects that can be cost-justified are approved a lot more quickly than those that can't.
If you have a cost-justified proposal (and I think you do), you can add environmentals to your proposal without cost-justifying it - it's a free added benefit. Politicians may approve things based on cost-justification, but things like environmental issues affect the vote.
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MJ "Morg" Staley
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Macro
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You care if I use this to propose to my town
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Joe Lalumia
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Macro----- absolutely!!! you can use anything posted here ... and you may freely COPY IT, and-or ALTER IT,and use it any way you wish! All documents and spreadsheets are in the "Public Domain" ---- and both myself and Morg have given permission within this posting.
Joe Lalumia
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Jeff J
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Joe - I think this looks good. It might have a more compelling set of arguments if you sprinkled web references throughout the doc, and some web references at the end. The darksky website has some good info.
In particular if there are representative light fixtures then it makes the decision process easier. I saw a lot of good ones on darksky refs
Do you happen to know who or where in Austin something was initiated? I have two glaring streetlights nearby. Now it is worse since our neighbor just had her tree trimmed. Now it blazes into our front bedroom!
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If the #2 pencil is so popular, why is it still #2?
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Joe Lalumia
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Jeff-- no I don't know about any initiatives in Austin-- however you can write a letter to whoever controls the streetlights-- might be TXU or TxDOT --might be the city??-- and request that they are "trespassing" onto your property and you want them shielded.
The CN lighting presentation is designed to be altered as you see fit-- we placed it in the public domain for anyone to use, copy, or alter anyway they wish.
Your neighbor requires something different-- maybe setup the scope in the front yard and invite everyone on your street to come over-- then mention that your neighbors lights are keeping everyone from seeing the sky-- better if he is standing there looking through your telescope. ! 
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"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
Edited by Joe Lalumia (02/13/09 11:41 AM)
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christurner
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Hi there. I am trying to locate these documents but the links appear dead. Any idea when I can get this great info???
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Chris and Family
Nova Scotia, Canada
Dark Sky Country
www.spatialenergistics.com
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christurner
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Hi there. I am trying to locate these documents but the links appear dead. Any idea when I can get this great info???
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Chris and Family
Nova Scotia, Canada
Dark Sky Country
www.spatialenergistics.com
Platforms:
Meade LX200 ACF 12"
newstar 5.1" reflector
26mm plossl meade
13mm Ethos
Kendrick Digi10 Dew System
A wife that understands!
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Joe Lalumia
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Links are down because my provider is DOWN-- calling them now!
EDIT-- server is down-- if you email me at
joelalumia@sbcglobal.net I will email them back to you.
Thanks,
Joe
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
Edited by Joe Lalumia (04/01/09 05:52 PM)
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Joe Lalumia
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The server is back UP--- all documents are again available--
Here are the KEY LINKS consolidated into one posting--
http://www.wingsoverusa.com/CN_light_code.doc
Presentation
http://www.wingsoverusa.com/lighting_code_model.txt
Model Code
http://www.tombstonesky.com/nightsky/lpcharts/
Excel Spreadsheet- cost savings "what if"
available on Tombstone Sky web site Downloads
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
Edited by Joe Lalumia (04/01/09 07:03 PM)
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jeff1100CPC
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Joe My name is Jeff Lamson. I am the head of the Electrical Dept. In a small town in S.W Louisiana. I read you Lighting code presentation, I met with the Mayor and town council in regaurds to our street lighting. I got the go a head to replace our street lightheads with Full cutoff's.
Made the first order today. Just wanted you to know. Jeff 
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Outstanding! Congratulations to you Jeff, & Joe! 
Jeff, Welcome to Cloudy Nights! It's an honor to have you join us on these forums, especially this one!
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Joe Lalumia
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Way to go--------- you know my family is from Ticfaw, LA-- just outside of Independence, LA-- HA!
Still have relatives living there.
Joe Lalumia
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KD5NRH
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Quote:
Macro----- absolutely!!! you can use anything posted here ... and you may freely COPY IT, and-or ALTER IT,and use it any way you wish! All documents and spreadsheets are in the "Public Domain" ---- and both myself and Morg have given permission within this posting.
I still stand beside my "What we really need" post, in that, having worked in sales, getting the time to give a presentation like this to anyone in a position to do anything about it (and get them to pay attention) is hard enough when it's something they're already asking for. It's a good presentation, but you need to have them interested enough to not tune it out.
For that, the most attention-grabbing, thought provoking (from the bottom-line standpoint of cost vs return on investment) should be distilled down into a handout no larger than a trifold brochure with a few pretty pictures and a chart or two.
We tried to get one or two of these (different versions, each with a slightly different approach)into each potential client's hands well before the presentation to guide their questions in a useful direction and preempt certain concerns. By letting the brochures "rope them in," so to speak, we had them wanting to hear, and to participate in the presentation to fill out the information they had already received.
Unfortunately, I'm way behind the times on developing these things, but surely someone here took some graphic design and marketing classes, and could base something off of the existing material.
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Joe Lalumia
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The link to the Excel spreadsheets have changed to:
http://www.tombstonesky.com/observe/outreach/lp/street/index.html
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"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
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BRisley
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Still can't get the excel sheets.
Have an interesting situation here in Lee County, FL.
They have budgeted and turned off some street lights, but the impact was not realized and now there is an outcry to turn them back on. Considering hitting the County Commissioners with some IDA stuff and links, especially as the are going to be working on more long term plans too. Some of them are very environmental minded. I think they need a little info before they turn back on these glare bombs. I know one of the area's they are heavy on getting back on, used to have an observatory off Daniel's in the late 70's/early 80's with 6.5+ skies, now it is in the heart of the light pollution.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/sep/16/dark-streets-unkempt-roads-may-result-lee-county-b/
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional/13152518-1.html
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11269824
Brian
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Joe Lalumia
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OK- here are several ready made brochures etc etc from IDA that make good hand-outs.
http://www.darksky.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=90127&orgId=idsa
for Stephenville TX ------ hey don't you folks have an alien buried in the cemetery!
ALSO-- I emailed "Morg" about the broken spreadsheet links.
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
Edited by Joe Lalumia (10/11/09 08:46 PM)
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Joe Lalumia
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For the time being-- you can download these two files from my server--
www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.doc
www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.xls
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
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BRisley
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Thanks Joe, just the things I was looking for.
Something I can point them to without worrying about email filters!
Brian
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3 C-8's (2 OT 72/80 and SPC-8)
8" f5 Dob
Meade 4450 on EQ-2
Meade 4501 on EQ-2
Tasco 4.5" on EQ-2
Tasco Starguide 60GT
C-90/Cometron Sky Scanner 80 mounted tandem in a C-8 Fork
Cometron CO-62
Meade 11x80 Bino
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Joe Lalumia
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Loc: Rockwall, Texas, USA
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Morg has reposted the Excel Spreadsheets here:
http://www.tombstonesky.com/observe/outreach/lp/street/index.html
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LX90 8" LNT, SV Nighthawk & TelePOD, SV 80/9D & M4 mount, ETX 90, Orion XT10i, 20x80 binoculars, SV-BV3s-- www.texasastro.org
"Great minds discuss ideas;Average minds discuss events;Small minds discuss people." Unknown
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