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Joseph Gillman
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 12/06/05
Posts: 2784
Loc: Aston, PA
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Joe,
In your situation I'd probably build the most appropriate roll off structure and then put a commercial shed for the lawn stuff on the north side of the roll off under where the roof rolls off (have to assume enough vertical clearance for this). Butt it up against the north wall of the roll off then paint both structures the same and call it all one large shed.
I can't have more than one outside permanent structure - see prior post.
Also my north wall is adjacent to the property line unfortunately so the roof must roll off to the south. I will need an adjustable height pier but that can be done later.
The current shed is close to the maximum size allowed (by both the township and the HOA)
so I have to hope that the posts that hold the sliding roof support beam don't add to the legal "footprint"
they would know that I made a second structure, rather than modify my current one. A possibility would be to sell the current shed and put up a new roll off roof shed observatory but I think modding the current shed is most cost effective.
Max size is 10x10x12 (they don't specify which dimension is which so technically you can have a 10x10 that is 12' tall) and current one is probably about 10 feet long as it is - need to measure this weekend.
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tim53
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Reged: 12/17/04
Posts: 1459
Loc: Highland Park, CA
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If you can't have outriggers, consider making something like the Pier Tech roof uses. My roof Hatch Observatory uses big industrial full-extension drawer slides that don't stick out beyond the roof (and so are also covered when it's closed), but allow the roof to roll all the way off the opening. When I looked online a year or so ago for these, I found they come in sizes up to 5 feet, so a 10 ft roof would need to split down the middle and each half roll off in opposite directions. The good news is that you could open either one part way and use the opening like a slit to block out light and wind. The bad news is that unless your shed is in the middle of your north boundary, the roof halves would need to roll off to the west and east.
-Tim.
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"We`re just waiting looking skyward as the days come down.
Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
-Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, "The Romance of the Telescope"
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Joseph Gillman
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 12/06/05
Posts: 2784
Loc: Aston, PA
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That means sawing the roof in half which I hope I don't need to do but it is an option. For looks purposes I hope to keep the shed (paint matches house and has shingled roof) the same. If I need to maybe I can get a newer light roof but put shingles on that or make it "look" shingled.
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skybsd
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Reged: 02/01/08
Posts: 603
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Hi Joseph,
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Well good news is the evil (not really) HOA didn't say NO to an observatory and they didn't say "Don't you dare put that 'thing' on your property!" 
Excellent news! Good for you!
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However they said they discussed and researched quite a bit and while the HOA documents do not say anything about having multiple "sheds" on your property, my township only lets you have one outside structure.
So I guess I might have been better buying a house WITHOUT a shed  so I could start from scratch.
Indeed - what's a "township", exactly? Is that your locally elected local government body - sort of like the local council here in the UK that own planning permissions for buildings and other structures?
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They said as long as whatever modifications I make to the existing shed are okay with township guidelines, I can have a modified-shed rolloff-roof observatory....
OR......
Knock down/sell the shed somehow and then put up the POD (or another suitable structure).
Might be an idea to see how far your luck runs and contact your township thingamajig for guidance on how best to proceed based on your intentions and requirements - you never know 
Regards,
skybsd
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Joseph Gillman
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 12/06/05
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Loc: Aston, PA
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Yes I am trying to get in touch with the township engineer , who has a regular dayjob and who knows when I will hear back.
Township is a local government which makes all the rules vi a via building codes, etc, then on top of that if you want a house under 20 years old in this area chances are it is in a development with a home owners association which makes their own rules above and beyond the local govt's but as you can see each one is different and some are more evil I meant restrictive than others.
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Timber
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Reged: 11/08/08
Posts: 394
Loc: SW foothills of Mt. St. Helens
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Tim
Do you have a link to the big industrial full-extension drawer slides?
Richard
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My four beautiful Saluki's; Barron, Sophie, Majnun and Kassandra, and I live on a small, rural, remote farm.
No close neighbors,
No streetlights,
No private security lights,
No power poles,
No traffic,
No TV,
No HOA 
No Mosquitoes
Rather Wonderful
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skybsd
professor emeritus
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Hi Joseph,
Ahh, thanks for clarifying.
Well, let's hope you hera back from the township engineer before too long, and also hope that they smile on your proposal / enquiry 
Congrats once more - Good luck going forward! 
Regards,
skybsd
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Joseph Gillman
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 12/06/05
Posts: 2784
Loc: Aston, PA
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Somewhat related, I helped a friend move today (in the drizzle boy am I exhausted!!)
and he might take our shed for his new house if I decide to and am allowed to put up a new rolloff roof in its place.
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montymorris
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Reged: 09/30/09
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Loc: Media, PA
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Joe, If you need assistance with moving the shed if it come to that, I have a friend in the towing business that would help with his flat bed. Just may have to be on a Saturday.
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tim53
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Reged: 12/17/04
Posts: 1459
Loc: Highland Park, CA
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Tim
Do you have a link to the big industrial full-extension drawer slides?
Richard
There are others, but these were the first ones I came across when I looked this evening:
Accuride industrial full extension slides
-Tim.
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"We`re just waiting looking skyward as the days come down.
Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
-Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, "The Romance of the Telescope"
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Timber
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Reged: 11/08/08
Posts: 394
Loc: SW foothills of Mt. St. Helens
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Thanks Tim,
Richard
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My four beautiful Saluki's; Barron, Sophie, Majnun and Kassandra, and I live on a small, rural, remote farm.
No close neighbors,
No streetlights,
No private security lights,
No power poles,
No traffic,
No TV,
No HOA
No Mosquitoes
Rather Wonderful
Edited by Timber (11/06/09 01:45 AM)
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Joseph Gillman
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 12/06/05
Posts: 2784
Loc: Aston, PA
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Thanks for the offer. Turns out my 10x10 shed is too big for his HOA to allow it (dumb).
Anyways after 10 days of not hearing back from the township engineer, I called the township office again today and this time they put me through to the building code person. I just need to make some drawings of my plans and we'll go from there. I'll see about borrowing AutoCAD from a friend.
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Timber
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Reged: 11/08/08
Posts: 394
Loc: SW foothills of Mt. St. Helens
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Hi Joe,
I just seems you are making it much too difficult to worry with AutoCad, for small projects like yours my county code/plans checkers (and I presume yours) will accept hand-drawn freehand sketches on a piece of notebook paper, in fact I have sketched a drawing while sitting with the code person, they really are only concerned with the items that are code related, like setbacks, septic system clearances, beam sizes, post depths, (egress windows for bedrooms), make things simple. The inspectors usually are not very concerned about small buildings except for setbacks.
Richard
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My four beautiful Saluki's; Barron, Sophie, Majnun and Kassandra, and I live on a small, rural, remote farm.
No close neighbors,
No streetlights,
No private security lights,
No power poles,
No traffic,
No TV,
No HOA
No Mosquitoes
Rather Wonderful
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Joseph Gillman
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 12/06/05
Posts: 2784
Loc: Aston, PA
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Ok duly noted. I'm an engineer by trade (not civil though I work in aerospace) so the cad stuff comes more naturally than sketching by hand. It might be easier to sell the shed and go with a new structure that will have a lighter roof.
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Timber
sage
Reged: 11/08/08
Posts: 394
Loc: SW foothills of Mt. St. Helens
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Hi Joe,
Good luck. Sometimes approaching the code people as an unsophisticated innocent will garner more sympathy and slack.
Richard
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My four beautiful Saluki's; Barron, Sophie, Majnun and Kassandra, and I live on a small, rural, remote farm.
No close neighbors,
No streetlights,
No private security lights,
No power poles,
No traffic,
No TV,
No HOA
No Mosquitoes
Rather Wonderful
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Bowmoreman
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Reged: 09/11/06
Posts: 3997
Loc: Bolton, MA
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here's another thought:
typically (you WILL need to check), "Permanent" structures are defined by their foundations... if you don't have the "shed/observatory" on concrete foundation supports, it isn't (by definition) a "permanent" structure...
At least that is what the codes are here...
IF that is the case, then you can just build a rolloff on those concrete floater/footers (which is what I did)... then you have your (Steel!) pier bolted to a concrete footer that is BELOW GRADE (i.e. Invisible and "erasable")...
Voila: no permanent structure...
Plus, it has the advantage such that you CAN TAKE IT WITH YOU if/when you ever move...
You will have to read very carefully how they define things like: "Permanent", and "structure"; but I'm guessing there are possibly "loopholes" that you can exploit...
Good luck!
clear enough skies
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