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MikeRatcliff
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David Knisely recently posted a surprisingly long list of objects helped by the H-beta filter. In the last few weeks I tried this filter on a couple of challenge objects with success:
IC 405 Flaming Star, the filter showed the overall northern end which is the brighter part. I had seen brighter knots here and there before without the filter. Seen at a gray light-pollution zone, Hole-in-the-wall campground in California.
Barnard's Loop in Orion, showed very well with the 60mm finder telescope. Was not visible in the big scope or naked eye with the filter held to the eye. This was in a blue zone at 3 a.m.
Same night saw the horsehead pretty easily but still just a blob of a shape, no nose. Have also seen the Cocoon Nebula and the California nebula before. These 3 (Horsehead, Cocoon, California) were the main reason for getting the filter, but the others are a pleasant surprise.
Anyway, thanks David for the list.
Mike
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Achernar
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I've used my Hydrogen beta filter successfully on the Horsehead, California and Cocoon nebulas. It also worked on the Orion nebula too. I've tried it on IC-405, but the views I got through an O-III looked a lot better to me. As for the Horsehead, it did look like an irregular bite out of IC-434, but I did see hints of the horse head. Through an 18-inch, there was no doubt that I was seeing a perfect outline of a horse's head.
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CaptainTruss
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Interesting, I should try the barnard's loop in my 10" F/4.5 and see how much better it looks with an H-Beta. I've used an Orion Ultrablock before and moved my 14.5" back and forth in a brighter region. Sort of reminded me of the time when I was looking for the California Nebula.
Where is this list at? I'm interested to see what else responds to the H-Beta filter. I haven't used it much but I do know M42, The Flame, Horsehead, California, The Rose(the extremely faint outer shell of M57), and M20(from word of mouth, I haven't personally tried it) all responds quite well to it. I think there's a very few PN that vaguely responds to it also.
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MikeRatcliff
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Here you go,
David's post
The list was posted about a month ago.
And a complete review here:
http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1520
Mike
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9 Circle T ortho, 2x TV Barlow 1.25"
Edited by MikeRatcliff (10/30/09 10:48 PM)
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tatarjj
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Well, even that list isn't complete. I can add some to it just off of memory. Plus, there are many objects that aren't on that list that seem to be dead-heats between the H-beta and UHC. MANY of my nebula observations read "best in UHC/H-beta" However, including the objects on David's list, here's a few additional objects that respond best to H-beta in my experience:
NGC 6820/23 (whichever is the nebula) IC 4628 (emission nebula in Scorpius) Sh2-9 (emission nebula near Antares) Sh2-119 (emission nebula near NA nebula) Sh2-129 (emission nebula in Cepheus) Sh2-135 (very strong H-beta response, emission nebula in Cepheus) Sh2-245 (obscure, western segment of Barnard's loop in Eridanus) Sh2-261 Sh2-282 (UHC also does a good job, but H-beta seems to be best edge)
Additionally, there are MANY, MANY objects that I BELEIVE to be best in H-beta, but it's either a really close match between H-beta and UHC, or I'm not sure I saw the object:
IC 59 and IC 63 (these are reflection and emission hybrids, but the emission component seems to be almost entirely in H-beta) Sh2-269 (very close between UHC and H-beta, slight edge to H-beta) NGC 7822 Sh2-16 (not 100% sure I saw this nebula, incredibly fiant, but best visible H-beta) Cone nebula
And I the number of objects I list as equal in H-beta and UHC are very numerous and I don't wish to dig through my notes for them.
These are pretty much only objects in my notes for the last two years. Not quite sure where my notes from before that are, there are probably many objects in my notes from pre-September 2007 that I had listed as best in H-beta.
Note that all these H-beta targets are very faint, and you usually need very dark skies for them. Not any real point to owning and using an H-beta if you observe from a city or the suburbs.
-------------------- John T.
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CaptainTruss
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This is great info, thanks alot guys!
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David Knisely
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Quote:
Interesting, I should try the barnard's loop in my 10" F/4.5 and see how much better it looks with an H-Beta. I've used an Orion Ultrablock before and moved my 14.5" back and forth in a brighter region. Sort of reminded me of the time when I was looking for the California Nebula.
Where is this list at? I'm interested to see what else responds to the H-Beta filter. I haven't used it much but I do know M42, The Flame, Horsehead, California, The Rose(the extremely faint outer shell of M57), and M20(from word of mouth, I haven't personally tried it) all responds quite well to it. I think there's a very few PN that vaguely responds to it also.
Here is the list. It is not exhaustive by any means, but it should give you an idea of what to look for (and dispel the "myth" that the H-Beta filter is only useful on a handful of objects).
.....USEFUL TARGETS FOR THE H-BETA FILTER.....
While the H-Beta is probably one of the less-used nebula filters, the commonly expressed idea that it works only on a handful of objects is not really true. Here is a list of some of the more prominent objects that the H-Beta may be at least somewhat useful on. Some may require larger apertures, but a few have been seen from a dark sky site by just holding the filter up to the unaided eye and looking at the sky. Some of these will also be helped by a narrow-band filter like the Lumicon UHC.
1. IC 434 (HORSEHEAD NEBULA)
2. NGC 1499 (CALIFORNIA NEBULA, naked eye and RFT)
3. M43 (part of the Great Orion Nebula)
4. IC 5146 (COCOON NEBULA in Cygnus)
5. M20 (TRIFID NEBULA, main section)
6. NGC 2327 (diffuse nebula in Monoceros)
7. IC 405 (the FLAMING STAR NEBULA in Auriga)
8. IC 417 (diffuse Nebula in Auriga)
9. IC 1283 (diffuse Nebula in Sagittarius)
10. IC 1318 GAMMA CYGNI NEBULA (diffuse nebula in Cygnus)
11. IC 2177: (Diffuse Nebula, Monoceros)
12. IC 5076 (diffuse nebula, Cygnus)
13. PK64+5.1 "CAMPBELL'S HYDROGEN STAR" Cygnus (PNG 64.7+5.0)
14. Sh2-157a (small round nebula inside larger Sh2-157, Cassiopeia)
15. Sh2-235 (diffuse nebula in Auriga).
16. Sh2-276 "BARNARD'S LOOP" (diffuse nebula in Orion, naked eye)
17. IC 2162 (diffuse nebula in northern Orion)
18. Sh2-254 (diffuse nebula in northern Orion near IC 2162)
19. Sh2-256-7 (diffuse nebula in northern Orion near IC 2162)
20. vdB93 (Gum-1) (diffuse nebula in Monoceros near IC 2177)
21. Lambda Orionis nebular complex (very large, naked-eye)
In addition, a number of the brighter nebulae like NGC 7000 or M42 will respond to H-Beta use for revealing certain specific detail, although other filters may provide a somewhat better view overall.
Clear skies to you.
-------------------- David W. Knisely
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David Knisely
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Quote:
Interesting, I should try the barnard's loop in my 10" F/4.5 and see how much better it looks with an H-Beta. I've used an Orion Ultrablock before and moved my 14.5" back and forth in a brighter region. Sort of reminded me of the time when I was looking for the California Nebula.
Where is this list at? I'm interested to see what else responds to the H-Beta filter. I haven't used it much but I do know M42, The Flame, Horsehead, California, The Rose(the extremely faint outer shell of M57), and M20(from word of mouth, I haven't personally tried it) all responds quite well to it. I think there's a very few PN that vaguely responds to it also.
For Barnard's Loop, I like using my 100mm f/6 refractor at 15x (4.39 degree true field of view) using the H-Beta filter. With that combination, I can trace the main arc for quite a distance, and can even see some irregularity in its outline. On the "Flaming Star" nebula, I liked the view in my friend's 8 inch f/5 Newtonian (with the Paracorr and H-Beta) at 36x (2.1 degree true field of view). Then, the very faint outer portions just become visible, including the large western band-like arc that is not often seen in photographs. Clear skies to you.
-------------------- David W. Knisely
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CaptainTruss
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Thanks alot! You've got a sharp eye.
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HfxObserver
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John, I'm curious, you listed Sh2-245, I've also observed/detected this object using my 5-inch, would you care to share your observation?
I've been trying, & failing, for IC 59/63 and will try the H-Beta next time out.
-Chris
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tatarjj
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John, I'm curious, you listed Sh2-245, I've also observed/detected this object using my 5-inch, would you care to share your observation?
I've been trying, & failing, for IC 59/63 and will try the H-Beta next time out.
-Chris
This is an excerpt from an observing report I posted here and on another couple forums. Not sure why the search function isn't finding it. Background information is that this observation took place from 10 miles WSW of Fort Davis, TX, under pristine, unpolluted skies at 6000' of elevation. Telescope was an 18" Obsession. The date was 12/21/06.
"Sh2-245 (Eridanus Bubble)- Supernovae and fierce stellar winds from the Orion Stellar Association have blown large quantities of gas and dust out of the region surrounding the Orion, Horsehead, and other nebulae. Half of the gas headed toward the galactic plane where it slowed down as it collided with the interstellar medium. This is Sh2-276, better known as Barnard’s Loop. However, the other half of the gas was blown out, away from the galactic plain where the interstellar medium is less dense. Thus it did not slow down as much and is located much farther from the Orion Association than Barnard’s Loop is. This half is known as the Eridanus Bubble, and it is cataloged as Sh2-245. A good website that with images of the Eridanus bubble can be found at: http://canopus.physik.uni-potsdam.de/~axm/photo.cgi?Image=images/Eridanus_Bubble_Halpha_600
However, how observable is this Eridanus Bubble? I had failed every time I had tried to see this very faint emission region from Alabama. However, on the night of 12/21 I was at last able to bag it. Starting with OIII filtration and 75X, I followed a tip of where to start the search, and may have detected a slight increase in sky background brightness as I swept the scope in an E-W direction at the coordinates 4h 02m +3 30’. Popping in the UHC got me more excited. I definitely was beginning to pick something up! Inserting the H-beta filter sealed the case. Using the H-beta, I was able to follow an EXTREMELY faint strip of nebulosity about 15’-20’ wide from 4h 2m +3 45’ south-southeast to about 4h 3m +2 10’ at which point the nebulosity slowly faded from view. When I got back from Texas, I was able to finally find images of this nebular complex to see that this is just the brightest section of a huge, ~10 degree object. Chalk yet another object up as an H-beta target."
As far as IC 59 and 63 goes, you may need a bigger scope to help them stand out more. Since they aren't exactly huge objects, more aperture helps, up to perhaps a 10" after which you'll get some diminishing returns (just estimating here). Their filter response is just about tied between UHC and H-beta, but perhaps under more light pollution (but not too much, they are very faint objects), the H-beta might have an edge as it has a narrower bandpass. The point is, since they are reflection and emission nebula hybrids, the fact that they have a just about equal response in H-beta and UHC means that their H-beta emission component is very strong, as the H-beta blocks more of the reflection nebulosity than the UHC does.
-------------------- John T.
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Edited by tatarjj (10/31/09 04:37 PM)
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HfxObserver
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John, ah, it was your observation I'd read online, doesn't seem to be too many other that have seen this.
Have you observed it in the 25" yet?
I'm observing under Bortle 3.5 skies at 2,000ft elevation. I could just detect IC 59 with a friends 10-inch, IC 63 I could not see, but we were not using h-beta, just UHC and no filter with a 14mm Meade UWA. Even after seeing IC 59 in the 10-inch I could not see it in the 5-inch refractor.
-Chris
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With regard to David's and John's list of H-beta objects, its worth mentioning some obvious factors -- there's a certain amount of personal preference involved (the aesthetics of viewing a radically dimmed star field and dark background) and that the number of H-beta "targets" increases with aperture and sky darkness. Finally, with a large scope, some brighter targets may become more contrasty (or display additional features) with an H-beta filter. The result is there is no one list that will fit everyone.
I personally like the the H-beta filter on IC 418 though others may prefer the unfiltered view as the filter extinguishes the pinkish or raspberry tint. The H-beta filter, though, kills the central star in my 18-inch and brings out subtle variations in surface brightness in the bright disc (annularity) as well as picking up a thin outer envelope just beyond the main disc.
For another faint target, here's an observation of the "Propeller Nebula" (Simeis 57) in Cygnus with an H-beta filter (I've mentioned this one before).
The Propeller Nebula was viewed at 73x using an H-beta filter. Although very faint, two sections of this elongated "S" shaped emission strip were visible. The most prominent section was at the north end and consisted of a 5'x2' strip elongated N-S. Just north of this strip are mag 8.8 and 10.5 stars and the nebulosity extending south from these stars for roughly 5' in the direction of a bright isosceles right triangle of mag 7.5-8 stars (sides 4.5', 4.5' and 6') including the double star Fox 252 (8.9/10.4 at 19"). Two nearby mag 10 stars complete a pentagon. The middle section of the Propeller (to the west of the pentagon) was extremely weak or likely missing but at the south end a smaller 3'x2' piece, elongated N-S, was faintly visible to the SSE of Struve 2659 (8.4/9.5 pair at 20").
-------------------- Steve Gottlieb
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