chuckscap
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Reged: 07/18/09
Posts: 229
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO USA
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Hi, I currently own a 35mm and 22mm Panoptic, and was thinking of replacing them both with a good used 24mm Panoptic. Reasons: I'm trying to save up money for a heavier mount for my Mewlon 250 (it's currently on a Sphinx SXW); and the 24mm Panoptic is so light the balance would stay essentially the same with it as with my Jena 16-O, 14mm Radian and Jena 10-O eyepieces.
Thanks,
Chuck
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Lane
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 11/19/07
Posts: 1515
Loc: Frisco, Texas
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If you really want to save cash:
Meade Series 5000 Super Wide 24mm - $169
Baader Hyperion 24mm - $119
Meade Series 5000 Super Wide 28mm - $179
I have seen remarks on this site by several people who actually prefer the Meade 24 to the Pan. I certainly consider my 21 Hyperion to be equal to my Pans in everyway. I don't know it the 24 is in the same league as the 21 though.
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Mounts: CGEM, ORION SIRIUS, AT Voyager/motorized
SCTs: C6, C8, C9.25, C11,
Refractors: TV Pronto, Orion ED80
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chuckscap
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Reged: 07/18/09
Posts: 229
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO USA
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I guess if money was the primary object, I would go with a 32m TV Plossl. I used to have one and it's a lovely eyepiece with about the same FOV as the 24mm Pan, of course with less magnification.
Chuck
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Lane
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 11/19/07
Posts: 1515
Loc: Frisco, Texas
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I thought money was the primary object here. But anyway I know how much I use my 35 pan and my 22 nagler. They work very well as a team and I would hate to have to give one of them up. I usually keep a narroband filter on the 40mm Pentax all the time and an OIII on the 27mm Pan all the time. So the 35 and 22 are my go to eyepieces for non-nebula objects.
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Mounts: CGEM, ORION SIRIUS, AT Voyager/motorized
SCTs: C6, C8, C9.25, C11,
Refractors: TV Pronto, Orion ED80
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F.Meiresonne
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Reged: 12/22/03
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Loc: Eeklo,Belgium
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Optically i see only loss. A pan 24 cannot replace both a pan 22 and a 35mm IMO.
Actually i would keep both eyepieces and just save a little bit longer for the mount.
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Freddy Meiresonne
Obsession 18 inch #1638
Orion Optics 8 inch F/4.5 -1/8 wave optics -Vixen GP-E
20x80 Helios Stellar Binos
15x70 TS Marine (=Obie Ultra)
10x60 Helios Quantum 4(= Obie Mariner)
10x50 Helios Nature sport plus
8x40 Helios Nature sport plus
Eyepieces in use :Pan 35,24,19, N13T6, Pentax 10 XW, N9T6, Ultrascopic 7.5, TV2, baader ortho 12.5 and 9 mm
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hfjacinto
Almost got me
Reged: 01/12/09
Posts: 2096
Loc: Union,NJ
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Sell the 22MM and 35 MM Panoptic and get yourself a 21MM Hyperion and the 36 MM Hyperion Aspheric on your Mewlon which I think is an F10 scope you will not notice any difference between the Pans and these 2 eyepieces. Even buying both new the cost is $318 (about what a 35MM Pan costs)
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C9.25 ASGT 9*50 MM Finder,FT Focuser & 2" Diagonal
Meade LXD 75 6 Inch SNT w 9*50 MM Finder
5,6,9,14.5 MM Zhummel Planetary EPs
13,17,21,24,31,36 MM Baader Hyperion
6.7,8.8 MM Meade UWA & 11 MM Nagler T6
Planetary, OIII and Narrowband Filters
Thousand Oaks Dew Control w Kendrick Heaters
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Pete Kopfer
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Reged: 12/01/08
Posts: 84
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I think you're right on about getting a beefier mount for that scope of yours. Wow. It deserves the very best.
The Panoptic 24 is a stunning performer (at least in my two scopes) that also happens to be pretty darn light (weighs only about as much as a Radian). I think it's the bestest little widefield. If you are trying to wring the most performance and FOV out of the smallest package possible while you wait for a sturdier mount, then it may just be your best choice.
Pete
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chuckscap
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Reged: 07/18/09
Posts: 229
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO USA
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Thanks Pete, that's what I was thinking. Here's a picture of my Mewlon 250 on a Sphinx, poor little thing ...
Regards,
Chuck
Edited by chuckscap (11/01/09 09:26 PM)
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Brian Schmidt
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Reged: 01/25/09
Posts: 204
Loc: Roswell, GA
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I actually just traded a 24 pan for a 22 pan. I also currently own the 35 as well. Honestly, the 22 and 24 pan are almost the same eyepieces in terms of the view that they provide in the field. The main difference is obviously is the duel barrel and weight on the 22. I find this focal length to be critical in my 12 and 8 inch dos. My main reason for trading the 24 for the 22 is that the paracorr settings are the same for the 35 and 22 pans.
With all of that being said, the 22 (formally 24) is my low power work horse except for a half dozen or so of the largest DSO's. However, I would not really want to give up my 35 because the 22 or 24 gives me only slightly less than 1 degree TFoV. When I am having problems finding something in the 12, I don't hesitate to put in the 35, which gives me over 1.3 degree TFoV.
So here's my recommendation; If you're seriously considering loosing the 35, try leaving it inside next time you observe and see how you manage without it. I will say that I don't observe much with the 35 because at f/5 the field is really bright. But I don't mind keeping it because I got it at a discount due to the condition that I bought mine in.
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Brian
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skyward_eyes
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Reged: 12/12/06
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Loc: Arizona
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I wouldnt trade my 35 or 22 let alone both for a 24 Panoptic. I find the 22 is much nicer then the 24.
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csa/montana
Den Mother
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Loc: montana
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Quote:
I wouldnt trade my 35 or 22 let alone both for a 24 Panoptic. I find the 22 is much nicer then the 24.
While I agree I like the 22Pan more than the 24, after a side by side for a couple of months; the 24Pan is also an excellent eyepiece. However, for me anyway; I would feel something was definitely lacking if I traded the 22 & 35 for the 24. Again, for me; it cannot replace both.
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Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35
DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2
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chuckscap
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Reged: 07/18/09
Posts: 229
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO USA
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You guys are right, I'll keep my two Panoptics. I had my 35mm Panoptic out tonight and can't see selling it, especially with the 3000mm focal length of my Mewlon. I'll just save up and hope to fall into a Parallax HD 150 at a yard sale ...
Chuck
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csa/montana
Den Mother
Reged: 05/14/05
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Loc: montana
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Chuck, glad to hear it; I'm sure you would regret selling them later on. Also it might be good to hang onto the 22Pan, as they have been discontinued; so won't be easily replaced, later on!
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Carol
AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35
DreamCatcher Dobservatory, #2
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Pete Kopfer
member
Reged: 12/01/08
Posts: 84
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There you go, Chuck. Sounds like a good call. That is a beautiful scope.
Pete
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John K
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Reged: 12/26/05
Posts: 799
Loc: Vernon BC Canada
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I have a brand new 24 Pan that I will trade for your 35 Pan Provided that your 35mm Pan is in great condition.Just to play the Devils Advocate. Here is a shot of mine.
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RASC Member (Okanagan)
Home built 15"F5 Obsession clone
Bushnell 76mm Modified Dob (Little Richie)
Celestron Skymaster 15x70
Howie Glatter laser pointer/Blug
Astronomik filters OIII UHC
Televue Eyepieces 31mmNagler,32mmPL,15mmPL,13mm Ethos,11mm PL,2X Barlow
10mm Speers Waler
Edited by John K (11/02/09 12:49 AM)
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chuckscap
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Reged: 07/18/09
Posts: 229
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO USA
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Hi John, I spent the evening with the 35mm Pan in my Mewlon 250. I'm going to keep the 35mm and 22mm Pan. for the rest of my set I have a CZJ 16-O, 14mm Radian, 12mm AP SPL, and CZJ 10-O. I just need one of those nice Zeiss 2x Barlows ... I plan to replace the 14mm Radian and 12mm AP SPL with either a CZJ 12.5mm or a CZJ 25mm plus the Zeiss 2x barlow
Thanks,
Chuck
Edited by chuckscap (11/02/09 07:49 PM)
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J_D_Metzger
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Reged: 05/13/04
Posts: 1477
Loc: Tucson, AZ
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Instead of a Parallax 150, get a Celestron CGEM. You won't have to save near as much money. As a matter of fact, if you sell the Sphinx you'll have almost enough for the CGEM...
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Clear skies,
J.D.
32°15'16.96"N 110°47'39.24"W
Celestron C11 & C6
Explore Scientific 127ED, TeleVue TV-76
Celestron CGEM, iOptron MiniTower, Vixen Porta
Canon 10x30 IS Binoculars
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