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DavidD
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Improving SkyScout Accuracy
      #3426173 - 11/02/09 08:00 PM

I've scanned a couple of pages of posts, and couldn't find anything on this topic, but forgive me if this has been covered.

I have had a SkyScout for about a month now. Sometimes it's dead on accurate, sometimes it is inaccurate to where the object is just out of the FOV, sometimes it is way off. I had a running email conversation and have come up with a few things to make using it more consistently accurate, and it probably addresses most of the complaints I've read about the SkyScout.

There are two references that the SkyScout uses to find the location of an object. One is the magnetic reference that determines the direction and angle the device is pointed, and the other is GPS to determine the location.

Making the first reference happy is the easiest. Avoid any metal objects that will throw it off. And, pay attention to the warning on the device screen.

The GPS issue is a little bit more complicated. The GPS is used for location AND time. It turns out, the unit does not have it's own internal clock, so time freezes when GPS signal is lost. Also, the device likes to have a GOOD GPS signal. I have not determined the specifics, but it appears to me that it wants 12 sats in view.

Now, this can be somewhat "fixed". You can put your location in (look it up on Google maps), and the time. When inputting the time, put your local time/date, then the offset from UTC, and it'll calculate for you (adjust for DST as needed). Now, you should be close to accurate. There will be rounding errors, since you only get to put in degrees and minutes, and hours and minutes, AND (at least I can't find it) you can't enter elevation. Those will cause an error, and is probably the quoted accuracy of the device. BUT, before you use it on the next object, IF you don't have GPS signal, update the time. Also, use as accurate a time source as you can (cellphone).

If the device goes off, it remembers the last location, and maybe the last time, so all you should have to do is update the time, unless you move to a new location.

Hope this helps anyone who has been frustrated in using the SkyScout. I find it to be a fascinating piece of equipment. I use is as a go-to guide.

David

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OPT diagonal (w/ Barlow)
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(Old Edu-Toys scope to use for something else -
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drexelpbp
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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: DavidD]
      #3426467 - 11/02/09 11:07 PM

Interesting - i have found it to be very accurate at times and very inaccurate at times also. How do you know if you have lost the GPS signal?

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DavidD
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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: drexelpbp]
      #3426500 - 11/02/09 11:22 PM

I don't have it with me at the moment, but I think you can push the GPS button and it will tell you the status. I've just been checking the time, as at my location I can almost guarantee that I'm not holding signal. There might also be an indicator on the screen, but I don't recall.

David

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Sky-Watcher GreatStart 114N-EQ2
Galileoscope
Stellar diagonal w/ helical focuser w/ OPT Barlow
OPT diagonal (w/ Barlow)
20mm OPT Plossl
Sony P71 w/OPT Camera Adapter
Photo tripod
Nikon Action 10x50 binoculars
Dakota 8x32 binoculars (focus is now broken)
(Old Edu-Toys scope to use for something else -
well, now it's just a tube!)


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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: drexelpbp]
      #3426974 - 11/03/09 08:23 AM

Quote:

Interesting - i have found it to be very accurate at times and very inaccurate at times also. How do you know if you have lost the GPS signal?




My experience? It is plenty accurate enough for its purposes MOST of the time. When it's not? That's most often caused by magnetic interference. Even when you don't see the magnetic icon, look around for interference (vehicles, especially), and GET AWAY from it.

AFAIK, you do NOT need a continuous fix source. Once it links to GPS and gets a fix and the time, it is done. It does not have a battery backed clock, but it does increment time in the absence of GPS; that's why you can enter time manually and make it work.

Edited by rmollise (11/03/09 08:26 AM)


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DavidD
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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: rmollise]
      #3427300 - 11/03/09 12:03 PM

I need to do some more "testing", but in my email with Celestron, they "admitted" to me that the clock updates were coming from GPS alone. My testing has been on Jupiter, and it was slowly drifting from the FOV.

I have one spot that I have to avoid for magnetic interference, but I lose GPS most of the time. My observing spot is between the house, a standalone garage, and a block wall, as it affords the best protection from light.

I had similar problems when in Flagstaff, AZ one night. I got a fast connection to GPS in the middle of a parking lot, but when I moved to a more light friendly spot, I lost GPS and started having problems locating objects. That's what prompted the emails to Celestron support.

David

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Sky-Watcher GreatStart 114N-EQ2
Galileoscope
Stellar diagonal w/ helical focuser w/ OPT Barlow
OPT diagonal (w/ Barlow)
20mm OPT Plossl
Sony P71 w/OPT Camera Adapter
Photo tripod
Nikon Action 10x50 binoculars
Dakota 8x32 binoculars (focus is now broken)
(Old Edu-Toys scope to use for something else -
well, now it's just a tube!)


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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: DavidD]
      #3427506 - 11/03/09 01:52 PM

Quote:

I need to do some more "testing", but in my email with Celestron, they "admitted" to me that the clock updates were coming from GPS alone. My testing has been on Jupiter, and it was slowly drifting from the FOV.

I have one spot that I have to avoid for magnetic interference, but I lose GPS most of the time. My observing spot is between the house, a standalone garage, and a block wall, as it affords the best protection from light.

I had similar problems when in Flagstaff, AZ one night. I got a fast connection to GPS in the middle of a parking lot, but when I moved to a more light friendly spot, I lost GPS and started having problems locating objects. That's what prompted the emails to Celestron support.

David




Clock UPDATES, yes. But once set by GPS or by you, the clock keeps ticking until power is turned off. Once the initial fix is taken, the GPS has done its work till "next time."

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DavidD
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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: rmollise]
      #3437107 - 11/08/09 09:07 PM

I was taking the Celestron email on it's word, but in testing last night, the clock does update itself. Maybe they thought I meant while it's off (that is definitely when it doesn't update). I did notice a drift over time (it doesn't keep up), but it'd take a while to get it off as much as I usually see.

So, I was still having problems spotting with it last night. However, my neighbor has a camper parked near the wall, on the side of the house where I set up. It is nice as it blocks light, but I don't think the SkyScout likes it, even when it doesn't have the magnetic interference warning on. I also now realize that the unit turned itself off a couple of times, and I didn't update the clock, though I was actually locking satellites fairly quickly for once.

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Sky-Watcher GreatStart 114N-EQ2
Galileoscope
Stellar diagonal w/ helical focuser w/ OPT Barlow
OPT diagonal (w/ Barlow)
20mm OPT Plossl
Sony P71 w/OPT Camera Adapter
Photo tripod
Nikon Action 10x50 binoculars
Dakota 8x32 binoculars (focus is now broken)
(Old Edu-Toys scope to use for something else -
well, now it's just a tube!)


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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: DavidD]
      #3437594 - 11/09/09 08:14 AM

Quote:

I was taking the Celestron email on it's word, but in testing last night, the clock does update itself. Maybe they thought I meant while it's off (that is definitely when it doesn't update). I did notice a drift over time (it doesn't keep up), but it'd take a while to get it off as much as I usually see.

So, I was still having problems spotting with it last night. However, my neighbor has a camper parked near the wall, on the side of the house where I set up. It is nice as it blocks light, but I don't think the SkyScout likes it, even when it doesn't have the magnetic interference warning on. I also now realize that the unit turned itself off a couple of times, and I didn't update the clock, though I was actually locking satellites fairly quickly for once.




Yep, it does not like vehicles at all.

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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: rmollise]
      #3458586 - 11/20/09 10:39 AM

Doesn't like my watch either ! No metal means better accuracy or me....

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Donnie D
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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: Stef]
      #3466192 - 11/24/09 03:40 PM

Seems like they (Celestron) would have an antenna that would pull up to allow for better reception with a shielded case.

Donnie
I do not own one, but would like to have one.

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DavidD
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Re: Improving SkyScout Accuracy new [Re: Donnie D]
      #3466237 - 11/24/09 04:07 PM

There are actually more problems with magnetic interference than the GPS, so it knows where you are, it just doesn't accurately know where you are pointing!

BTW, I posted this somewhere else, but if you are in CA or AZ, it looks like Fry's Electronics has them on closeout. The store here in Phoenix has one left, for $120. This version has the speaker along with it, which usually goes for $25 extra (I think).

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Sky-Watcher GreatStart 114N-EQ2
Galileoscope
Stellar diagonal w/ helical focuser w/ OPT Barlow
OPT diagonal (w/ Barlow)
20mm OPT Plossl
Sony P71 w/OPT Camera Adapter
Photo tripod
Nikon Action 10x50 binoculars
Dakota 8x32 binoculars (focus is now broken)
(Old Edu-Toys scope to use for something else -
well, now it's just a tube!)


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