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RC4U
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Reged: 11/01/09
Posts: 11
Loc: North Dakota
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I am going to start stocking smaller scopes in the $100-$200 range in my hobby store...I have used my 10x42 nikon for many years when out camping..i have had a request or 2 every year if i have scopes in my store..So I ordered one for a gal, powerseeker 80eq Monday along with my nexstar 130. Now i need some things or places to look at, or suggestions to tell the parents and grandparents. events coming? A few ideas and my research can take it from there..my Location is Bis. ND and dark skys are only a few miles from the big city of 50,000..appreciate your time help..Jeff
-------------------- "I feel the need to learn"
Nexstar 130 SLT
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rocco13
Got Milk?
Reged: 07/29/06
Posts: 2660
Loc: Phoenix, Arizona
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First choice would be the Orion Nebula (M42), which is visible from about 11pm now, but in a month or two will be in the early evening.
Second would be the Double Cluster in Perseus near Casseiopeia.
The moon is always a nice target, although it's better when it's less than full, as more detail is visible with the shadows, and it doesn't blind you!
If nothing else, just peruse the Milky Way. Start around Cygnus and work your way down into Sagittarius. You'll always come across something interesting there. (But hurry...Sagittarius is setting quickly!)
-------------------- Rocco
Zhumell Z12
Super C8 (1984 vintage)
Celestron 102 f/5
and a cheap pair of binoculars
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Jim Haley
professor emeritus
Reged: 07/04/07
Posts: 732
Loc: Surrey England (SW of London)
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I suggest you visit skymaps.com every month to download a free monthly map and observing list. Then you will always have something to find.
You very well may be interested in the following article about beginners or some of the others found on the next two sites.
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/howto/basics/How_to_Start_Right_in_Astronomy.html
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/howto/basics
http://www.scopereviews.com/begin.html
In addition, were I in your shoes I would stock the book Nightwatch by Dickinson. It is a bit pricey, but it is probably the best beginner book and better for the budding astronomer than any $100 telescope. I think if you purchase direct from firefly publications you can get a good price and have a nice markup.
Actually, at a price of $100 - $200 it is hard to avoid selling anything but junk for night time use. The smaller refractors can work well for daytime use though. Must sub $200 scopes will be usable by beginners only on the moon and perhaps Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter and Saturn will be TINY. The smallest scopes are usable by advanced amateurs ... but are very difficult to get much performance out of.
If I were a retailer I would worry about the number of returns I might get, especially with an EQ mount. Telescopes have a short but very STEEP learning curve. However, if your shop can provide help over that learning curve, then you would have an advantage over everyone else.
Before I ordered in any stock, I would check out Orion at telescope.com. They have a few very nice smaller scopes and will happily send you a free catalog.
There is a $50 Celestron International Year of Astronomy Scope out. I am not real impressed by it (I have one), but others seem to like it. However, it is not real good on Saturn and Jupiter (extemely Tiny and smeared light) and not great for terrestrial use (the upside down views bother some folks).
Beware of any scopes under $500 that have a tube shorter than the focal length. Many celestron 114 short tube scopes are this way. They have a "corrector" or "built in barlow" in the focus tube that makes the scope harder to use.. but items are bigger. Too bad this design isn't usually better executed (I have one of these also).
Buy the way, you don't need dark skies for the moon and planets, the view in a parking lot is just fine. Unfortunately there are only a few of the planets that show much detail in a scope.
Good luck! I have always thought that a store that had monthly store star parties during first quarter moon could probably sell a lot of telescopes. One look through a larger (than an 80mm) aperture dob (say 4" to 8") with a stable base might convince folks to pony up an extra hundred bucks for the far superior design.
-------------------- Jim Haley
12.5" f6 Starsplitter Dob because aperture and focal length rule.
Orion 8" XTi (with computerized object locator) because I view from the city and I won't always lug out the 12.5
Orion 114EQ reflector, Heritage 130P flextub Dob (My super portable dob is always in the car).
80mm f6 refractor (great for daytime use)
76mm Mini Dob (skywatcher brand). Hyper-portable dob base mounts to heavy duty ($100) tripod.
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ebusinesstutor
sage
Reged: 07/01/09
Posts: 468
Loc: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
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The moon and Jupiter and Saturn (at the right time of the year) are great targets to show beginners to get them interested.
You can download a free program called Stellarium to find out for yourself what targets are available. Also a great tool to demonstrate in your store.
Jim's idea about monthly star parties is excellent. You can even get a web cam and show the telescope view on a monitor screen so more people can enjoy it.
Also, find out if there is a local astronomy group in your area and team up. They will have lots of ideas for you on what to carry and would likely help with star parties and other public outreach events that you can sponsor.
-------------------- Garland Coulson
Orion XT8i Dob & Celestron 80 ED on a Vixen Porta Mount Mini
Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Click Zoom & Siebert Observatory 36mm
Siebert Black Knight Binoviewers
SkyWatcher Observing Chair
Celestron Skymaster 15x70mm binos
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RC4U
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Reged: 11/01/09
Posts: 11
Loc: North Dakota
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Jim i see a lot of scopes used here on this forum that are 114eq and 130eq and those I can sell for $150-$190..I didnt think these were junk but I am new..I did read those sites and some good info ..thanks for the ideas and Stellarium looks good..thanks again..Jeff
-------------------- "I feel the need to learn"
Nexstar 130 SLT
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Lard Greystoke
sage
Reged: 07/27/08
Posts: 377
Loc: Ohio
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Jupiter, Saturn and the Moon are always good. Mars will be at opposition this winter, although it is very small and expectations should be low.
The northern Milky Way is becoming well placed. Large, bright open clusters are common from Cassiopeia through Puppis. The Pleiades and Hyades, and later on the Beehive, are especially easy. M42 is also easy to see and locate. The Andromeda Nebula is relatively easy to spot, although it won't look like the photos.
-------------------- Lard Greystoke
10" Odyssey Compact
"With Tantor, the elephant, he made friends. How? Ask me not."
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David Castillo
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 09/09/06
Posts: 882
Loc: Carmel Valley, Ca
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There's also a few clusters in Aurega that will impress them. They're pretty easy to locate, so everyone won't be tapping their toes waiting for a peek. --- Dave
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tedbnh
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Reged: 11/14/07
Posts: 302
Loc: New Hampshire
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Download the free program Jupiter2, to prepare yourself to answer all the questions about Jupiter's moons. It is available from http://www.astrosurf.com/rondi/jupiter and it will tell/show you not only which moons are which but whether they are in front of or behind Jupiter, you can animate the movements to show what will happen over the evening, etc. Show them this *before* you take them outside, or better yet bring your laptop along. Remind them that in January of 2010 it will be exactly 400 years since Galileo saw these same moons for the first time in human history. (We still call them the Galilean moons in his honor.) I still get chills thinking about this, we are so lucky to live when we do. They'll probably be able to see cloud bands on Jupiter also.
-------------------- Ted
Hampton Beach, NH:
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Celestron C8 (orange tube), WO ZS 80ED 545/6.8
Orion XT8i + COL 1200/5.9
iOptron Minitower, AT Voyager
Bunch of EPs
Stardust observing chair
"Gladly wolde he lerne, and gladly teche" - Chaucer, Canterbury Tales
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Montana_Nights
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Reged: 04/19/09
Posts: 78
Loc: Ennis,Montana
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I also would opt for M42, it was the first object I found and observed(besides the moon, of course)! Second and third is Juipter and Saturn. Juipter impressed me the most, being able to seen some details of the bands, and Saturn with its rings. Juipter is very easy to find...look for the brightest "star" besides Sirius! Saturn, not quite as easy, but still not too difficult.
-------------------- Southwest Montana Astronomical Society, Bozeman Montana
My Kit:
A "new to me" Celestron Celestar 8
25mm and 10mm widefield EP
2x barlow
Various filters and accessories
Many, many books
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Achernar
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Reged: 02/25/06
Posts: 5028
Loc: Mobile, Alabama, USA
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The moon and the planets Jupiter and Saturn are always good objects for first timers, along with Venus and Mars when they're in a favorable position for observation. Bright deep sky objects such as the Orion Nebula, the Pleiades and the Andromeda Galaxy are good choices. Others that are still visible in the evening are the Ring and Dumbell Nebula, the Double Cluster and the globular clusters M-2 and M-15. Good double stars for beginners are Albierio in Cygnus, Eta Cassiopeiae and Almach in Andromeda. All of these objects are simple to locate or could at least be spotted in binoculars from a decent site.
However, be aware that worthwhile astronomical telescopes sell from about 200 dollars and up. The 100 dollar specials you see in the Big Box Marts have turned off legions of people to astronomy. Shaky mounts, terrible finder scopes and poor eyepieces make stargazing an exercise in frustration.
Taras
-------------------- 15-inch F/4.5 Dob under construction
10-inch F/4.5 Discovery Dob
6-inch F/8 Homebuilt Dob
4 1/4-inch F/4 Homebuilt reflector
A whole bunch of eyepieces, filters and other accessories....
Two curious cats
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RC4U
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Reged: 11/01/09
Posts: 11
Loc: North Dakota
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Thanks all for the tips i appreciate the time and lesson..Last nite out of course was just learning the routine of setting up and proving that just leaving the 25 mm EP in first few times is good;;tonite will be more learing but will try for jupitur..later Jeff
-------------------- "I feel the need to learn"
Nexstar 130 SLT
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Spaced
Carpal Tunnel
   
Reged: 03/01/05
Posts: 2186
Loc: Tacoma, Washington, USA
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Jeff, here's a link that has contact information to an astronomy club in Bismarck. I'm sure you would be welcome at meetings (they're always looking for new blood). Members could teach you a lot in a short time, and some may well know your store from their own hobby interests. You're blessed by extraordinarily dark skies out your way. I've done some observing near Heart Butte . . . I have family in Glen Ullin. I hope you make the most of what you have.
-------------------- Mike
"The spiral light of Venus,
Rising first and shining best . . ."
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Webster 14.5" f/4.5 "Sugaree"
Megrez II 80 ED Triplet APO "Punk"
Siebert Black Night BVs
8 X 42 Celestron Regals
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Zebra24601
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Reged: 10/09/05
Posts: 11509
Loc: San Gabriel Valley, CA 91770
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Lunar and Jupiter views with the 80EQ should be quite impressive for any first-time viewer, provided their expectations are not overly inflated. Haven't ever looked thorugh the Celestron reflectors you mention.
M42 (Orion Nebula) and M45 (Pleiades) are both naked eye even from a suburban backyard, but will look cooler even in smaller telescopes. Same with Albireo (double star at the bead of Cygnus the Swan). M31 is also naked eye from a semi-dark location, but not as interesting (to me) as any of the objects noted above.
I think M13 is still visible earlier in the evening, and conveniently located between two naked eye stars.
Harder but findable in 80mm would be the M81/M82 pair in Ursa Major and the Dumbbell Nebula (M27) in Vulpecula.
-------------------- Zebra24601
Meade 8" SCT w/UHTC * Celestron 100ED * Celestron C11 * Celestron Firstscope 80EQ
Meade LXD55 mount * Orion Sirius goto mount
Bushnell Voyager 4.5" Compact Reflector * Barska 15x70 binoculars * Galileoscope * Really cheap Tasco spotting scope
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