AlexDJ30
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Reged: 09/02/08
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Dont get me wrong I have a 6SE scope and love it, but i really wish there was a 6 inch version of the CPC, not because the SE is not capable, because the quality of the motors, tracking for better DSO photography and it still will be super grab and go. I already have a CG-5 and use it for AP but boy i wish there was a CPC 6 inch, i would buy it in a snap really!
Bigger doesnt mean better , prefer small but real quality!
Who else would buy a 6 inch CPC?
I just hope i dont star a  treath 
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brianb11213
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Reged: 02/25/09
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The 6" tube in the existing mount would be undersized, the 8" tube would increase the weight very very slightly whilst the gain in resolution and (especially) light grasp is more than just a small increment.
If there was a smaller version of the mount, to reduce the weight, mounted on a less robust tripod, that might spoil the idea you have. But it's an idea ....
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AlexDJ30
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Reged: 09/02/08
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You are right brian i know that but like you said if they come up with that i would buy it in a snap! maybe they can let the same tripod for stability, the rest (arms and base) could be smaller like you said.
Heck why not a 6 inch CPC.. meade have the 6LS... haha now imagen a 6 EdgeHD CPC (because of course there is going to be conflict of product vs the 6SE) so making it EdgeHD and CPC will jump fast to the next level and not compete against the 6SE directly.
Wooww..that would be my wish come truth..haha celestron please read this!LOL
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- ETX 125 AT
- C6 ASGT
- WO 66mm SD
- 2.5X ED Barlow, 8-24mm Zoom Eyepice
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- Orion Starshoot CCD cam
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rboe
Reged: 03/16/02
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Loc: Phx, AZ
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Every so often you'll see a base only available - you could shoehorn your 6" OTA onto this base and there you go.
An option anyway.
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Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
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15X70 Obies
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averen
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Reged: 01/20/09
Posts: 117
Loc: Austin TX
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I believe the SE and the CPC use the exact same bolt pattern...so there shouldn't be any shoe horning necessary.
I'm actually looking for a CPC tripod for my CPC1100...long story. But when I was doing some work on it inside I had it sitting on the 8SE tripod.
Jared
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Bob Griffiths
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I own both an 8i (same as the 8Se) and a CPC1100...the scopes can be mounted on either tripod ...for stability reasons I mount my 8i on the CPC tripod because in my opinion most of the stability issues of the one armed bandit are caused by the tripod NOT the mount...
If Celstron would use worm gears in the single armed scopes...they would jump off the shelves..
Seriously my 8i is just as accurate in GoTo's and tracking as my CPC ...BUT BOY DID I HAVE TO PLAY WITH it a lot to make it so....!
So instead of offering a 6" CPC I suggest Celestrnn just use worm gears EXACTLY like those in the CPC..
Bob G.
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Nexstar 8i + GPS & Rays Brackets
Denk S1 power switch
Orion 100 mm Refractor
Meade LXD 55 ...AR-5 127 mm Refractor
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mclewis1
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Reged: 02/25/06
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Yeah I'd like to see an "improved" single arm SE mount. That would help C sell against the ETX-LS.
Maybe curve the arm like the SLTs (more clearance at the zenith for longer otas) and make it robust enough to handle a 20lb load. Oh, and sell the darn thing by itself for us folks who already have an appropriate ota or two. They'd sell a bunch.
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Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
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Bob Griffiths
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Mark:
I HONESTLY can not figure out what scopes the new Meade EXT-LS is competing against...nor the target market...!
At $1499.00 for a 6" scope it already is a couple of hundred bucks more then an 8Se and almost twice the price of the 6Se and pretty close to the CPC800 ... Optically speaking it is extremely over priced at least in my opinion .. BUT I do admit that the "LS" is loaded with enough bells and whistles to satisfy just about "nerd"..
And I agree that Celestron should sell the mount as a stand alone item...
Bob G.
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CPC1100
Nexstar 8i + GPS & Rays Brackets
Denk S1 power switch
Orion 100 mm Refractor
Meade LXD 55 ...AR-5 127 mm Refractor
Exploradome Observatory S.I.E. (Smiling Irish Eyes)
Gerbring Heated Motorcycle clothing in the winter
39*21'03" N
77*28'12" W
The sky over my head....
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mclewis1
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Bob, I'm with ya on that question. I assume that any "problems" Meade might encounter selling ETX-LS scopes can be addressed through pricing which would then put some pressure on Celestron's SE family.
I'm not sure if I was C that I'd respond to the Meade product for just the reasons you've mentioned but I would be more comfortable having a response in my back pocket ... just in case. Especially if that "response" could also generate sales in other market segments.
Anything that would bring down the cost of entry level imaging while still fitting into the quick setup grab n' go market would IMHO be a winner.
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Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
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Digital Don
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Reged: 01/20/04
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I thought about that too. But since there's only a 2.5 pound difference between the 6" and 8" tube assemblies, a 6" CPC would hardly be a 'grab and go' setup.
The CPCs do have advantages over the SE scopes - greater stability and a better drive system. However, the CPC 800 also weighs almost twice what the SE does. Some years ago, Celestron sold the C5 and C8 on the same drive base. The C5 was super stable, the C8 was marginal as far as stability. Despite the size and performance differences, there was only a small difference in price. I suspect the same would be true for a CPC 600.
I'd love to see a CPC 1400. In fact I have a great spot just waiting for one in my observatory! However the CPCs have been around for a while, so I'd be inclined to think that if Celestron was going to introduce anything other than what's currently available, we'd have already seen it.
Don
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w orchid
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Loc: Tampa, Fl
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I second a CPC 1400.
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AlexDJ30
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Reged: 09/02/08
Posts: 276
Loc: Monterrey, Mexico
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why not CPC600 and CP1400 LOL..if we are imaginening then we can have both 
Well worm gears would be great for the SE and yes if they sell the SE mount alone with worm wheels it would be very atractive!
now about the CPC base rboe you mean that i can purchase the drive system of the cpc without the OTA (from somebody who sell it like that)..and put my 6 OTA on it easy?? or you mean the cpc tripod?? (i know the cpc tripod is compatible with SE mount)..
Both hope celestron hear me..i want a CPC 600 Edge HD please !!!!!!!! make that too for the C14
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- 2.5X ED Barlow, 8-24mm Zoom Eyepice
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brianb11213
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Reged: 02/25/09
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why not CPC600 and CP1400 LOL..if we are imaginening then we can have both
The CPC1100 is about at the limit of what the existing mount will take (IMO). A 14" version would need a re-engineered fork assembly and would be much heavier - certainly beyond my ability to move single-handed. As other people have pointed out, perhaps the tube could be made easily demountable, this might solve the problem at the expense of setup & teardown time.
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Well worm gears would be great for the SE and yes if they sell the SE mount alone with worm wheels it would be very atractive!
The Meade ETX mount (the old one, not the LS) has worm gears and it's horrid - much worse than the SE mount ... because the gears are too small.
If it works, I don't care how it's done; but a decent sized worm gear (as used in the Meade ETX LS & the LX90 range) is a good start.
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rice224534
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Reged: 06/29/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Tokyo
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CPC800 with larger secondary mirror, namely shorter focal ratio same as that for CPC600. An addition 6.3 focal reducer to this may be best for astrophotography...
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rboe
Reged: 03/16/02
Posts: 45411
Loc: Phx, AZ
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I have seen a couple bases (not the tripod) minus the scopes for sale. The guys ended up mounting the tube on a GEM of some sort making the forked base surplus to them.
If the worm drive is all you want then I wonder if that part - bought directly from C would fit in the arm of the 6SE mount? That may entail a new controller too, possibly a motor controller board. In which case the cost would be over the roof.
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Ron
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