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Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new
      #2772638 - 11/26/08 09:56 PM Attachment (67 downloads)

Hi, I got a Canon Powershot A590-IS to replace the A530 I dropped a few weeks ago. Here are some first light images from it (please keep in mind it's a family point-n-shoot camera afocal through my 30 year old 6" newtonian)

Saturn November 26th A.M., those rings are getting thin!

http://setisociety.org/SaturnMVI_1196reg1roxi.jpg

Here's M42 Orion Nebula

http://setisociety.org/M42-Orion-Nebula-5fr-ado-3rd.jpg

M1 Crab Nebula

http://setisociety.org/m1-3fr-reg-ado-exp.jpg

M42 was five 15 second frames stacked, and the Saturn image is around 280 frames from video, stacked. M1 was 3 15 second frames stacked (I leaned very heavily on that M1 image in the processing to eek something out of it, heck it's an un-modified family camera!)

Criterion RV-6, 20mm EP for M42 and M1, and for Saturn 10mm EP with 2x Celestron Ultima barlow and 4X camera optical zoom.

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Jason H.]
      #2773211 - 11/27/08 09:16 AM

Have you ever thought about getting a Burgess Planetary 2.5mm? No more zoom to slow down the cam and (Oops!) long eyerelief Been thinking about this myself...

Edited by Chris_H (11/28/08 11:51 AM)


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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Chris_H]
      #2774316 - 11/27/08 09:38 PM

remarkable! great job on all 3 images!

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Chris_H]
      #2774470 - 11/27/08 11:44 PM

Hi Chris, I hadn't heard of that EP before. I'll have to look into it. I have 7 and 5mm EP's, but the scale was such without the barlow that it was too small, and with the barlow I couldn't see anything (dim Saturn). I've never contemplated going smaller than 5mm as I thought it would be too hard to find the object; with the zoom I can corral the planet in, with out it it'll be much harder, but may be worth it. I'll check into it, thanks!

Jason H.

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Have you ever thought about getting a Burgess Planetary 2.5mm? No more zoom to slow down the cam and long focal length Been thinking about this myself...




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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Jason H.]
      #2774800 - 11/28/08 09:55 AM

Very impressive! I just tried my new 590i first time last night on Saturn as well,no luck however.The video just get to underexposed.Using a 5" 1000mm achro refractor at 166x(vixen lv6mm) +4x camera.Am i overlooking something?I would really enjoy getting results like this.

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Jason H.]
      #2774805 - 11/28/08 09:56 AM

Well done Jason!!!!

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: smc89]
      #2774982 - 11/28/08 11:55 AM

You are very welcome! Eyepieces can be found here.

Yes, Saturn is very dim in movie mode at that mag Its dim in my 10 inch as well

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Chris_H]
      #2775172 - 11/28/08 01:57 PM

great work, Jason.

before i got my spc i used a 4mm tmb. it worked very well for afocal with my a560. the large eye lens made the process much easier and the higher mag helped greatly with image scale. i still use the 4mm+a560 instead of the spc for lunar shots since the moon is so bright and i cant get good results using the spc due to user error in the settings.

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Jason H.]
      #2833571 - 12/30/08 10:29 PM

I also have a A590is from Canon and I was disappointed to see that the remote capture task application doesn't work with this model.

How do you take your shots? I used the timer tonight to get a few shots of the moon but I'm curious what others do.
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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: JimmyNewland]
      #2834029 - 12/31/08 09:19 AM

Pretty sweet catches, Jason! Especially that M42 is pretty good!

Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Mare Nectaris]
      #3423352 - 11/01/09 09:01 AM

Anyone else using a Canon Powershot A590 IS? Care to talk about what settings are best for taking moon shots especially? As well as Planets and DSO's. Thx.

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: NorthWolf]
      #3426362 - 11/02/09 10:14 PM Attachment (2 downloads)

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Anyone else using a Canon Powershot A590 IS? Care to talk about what settings are best for taking moon shots especially? As well as Planets and DSO's. Thx.




Hi, I'll talk about it :^)

First off, the Saturn image at the beginning of this thread is not my best work with the Canon A590, I believe the following one is the best Saturn I've done with the A590 in April 2009

http://setisociety.org/Saturn-28-April09-M-1290-r5-s1pt7-reddwn.jpg

I think I can do better next Saturn season.

Regarding using point-n-shoots in general, I wrote an article earlier this year on the subject in the Central Florida Astronomical Society's Astrolog quarterly (see page 4)

http://www.cfas.org/filemgmt_data/files/Vol34Qtr1.pdf

Here's a slide-show gallery of my best shots with point-n-shoot camera's

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32339808@N05/sets/72157611463017137/show

And here are many of the same as individual shots (not a slide-show), plus a few more

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32339808@N05

And here are some of the same on the CFAS website, but also shots of my afocal setup and scopes (and a few Star Party images.)

http://www.cfas.org/mediagallery/album.php?aid=20&page=1

If you have any questions after reading the Astrolog article (linked to above) I'll try to answer them. Also, see the Canon Powershot threads (there's an old archived one with tens of thousands of views) and a new one that just started up again over in the Digital Camera forum. Another thing I'd like to point out (but I don't use myself) is the temporary operating system change you can make to the A590 using software called CHDK (google it) that will permit extending your exposures up to 64 seconds in duration and gaining incredible control over your shutter and camera firmware/operating system to do amazing stuff.

Let me know if you should have any questions, and best wishes with your camera (in my opinion the A590 is an amazing camera, even though I have the next-gen ones too.)

Have fun! Jason Higley

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Jason H.]
      #3427867 - 11/03/09 05:03 PM

Jason, thx a bunch, happy to see that you saw my post. Nice to talk to another Canon A590 IS owner.

I wil ldefinately read all the links you put up, I also recently bought an AdaptaView
Premium Eyepiece Adapter for larger diameter eyepieces (Panoptic, Naglers, Pentax, etc) and an Attachment Kit for Canon A570 IS and A590 IS to attach evertyhing to the eyepiece from http://www.cncsupplyinc.com/

My big problem is figuring out the settings, I will read your links and will head out tonight to practice as well.

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: NorthWolf]
      #3428604 - 11/04/09 02:30 AM

Ok, now I'm in business finally.

Finally a soso clear night. I took some lunar shots using various settings and eyepieces. Mainly a Panoptic 24mm and Nagler 9mm. These adapters are awesome. I'm done with Point and shoot! The Afocal method is great

I used Picassa 3 to add some contrast.









I know I can do better than these though, I wonder what type of settings I should be using, I was switching from ISO 200-400-800 1/40 - 1/2000 and F 4.5 - F8, hmmmm.

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: NorthWolf]
      #3428694 - 11/04/09 05:39 AM

And one of Mars! First time I see the Red Planet. Was too tired to do more afterwards, if you have any suggestions on settings, please let me know! Mostly for Moon/planets.



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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: NorthWolf]
      #3428958 - 11/04/09 10:44 AM

Quote:

... if you have any suggestions on settings, please let me know! Mostly for Moon/planets.





Congratulations on your Moon shots, they look nice.

Regarding A590 settings for single exposures:

Set camera dial to "M"/Manual, push the center "Func. Set" button, then press the down/up buttons on the function set cross to scroll through the various options. There you can change the ISO setting from 80 to 1600. Most of the time I use ISO 800 to 1600 for single exposures.

While in "FUNC. SET" scroll down two items down from the ISO settings which is the "Drive Mode". Set it for "10" seconds, or "2" seconds (these permit vibrations to dampen out before the shot is taken) or multi-frame (the one that shows three frames) this permits multiple frames, but the automatic dark frame subtraction is shut off when using this mode (which is valuable for removing noise in DSO shots.)

Moon - if you are doing single exposures, always keep the shutter time below 1/25th of a second. If the Moon is bright enough, 1/60th of a second or shorter is even better. Indeed, during every session you'll want to adjust the exposure time to the current view. Exposure time is dependent on the Moon's phase, aperture of your scope, whether you are looking at the terminator etc. (i.e. how much white/light is visible in the field of view.) Unless the Moon is a crescent, you should be able to fiddle with the ISO, but if you are just starting out, I would just set it at 1600 or 800 and fiddle with the shutter speed first.

Planets - It appears from your signature line that you might be using a 10" non-tracking dobsonian telescope. This can be a challenging issue for the planets when trying to magnify them and keep them in the field of view for a video stack (the preferred method of shooting planets).

Video Mode - Video mode is the preferred method for shooting the planets. It permits signficant improvements in the signal to noise ratio of the target object, when used in conjunction with stacking software. If you are going to use the Canon A590 for planet shots in video mode, keep the quality level at it's highest, "Stanard" 640x480 mode, consider turning off the Image Stabilization (IMO it might introduce camera processing errors that could show up later in a stack of hundreds or thousands of frames.)
Video clip durations for planets (if you are using a tracking mount) for my 8" scope are in the neighborhood of:
Mercury = any duration clip, but I'd keep it under 2 minutes for manageability.
Venus = any duration clip, <2 minutes for manageability.
Mars - 1-2 minute clip.
Jupiter = 90 second clip.
Saturn = 2 minute clip.
Uranus = Whatever you want.
Neptune = Same as Uranus.

Manual Focus - Hit the "MF" button to access the focus controls and set it to "Manual Focus". Then push the right cross button next to Func. Set to set it at Infinity. This is very important, if you do not do this, the camera will often mis-judge the focus or constantly keep adjusting it (and mis-judging it.) While in Manual Focus at Infinity, adjust the focus on your telescope's focuser knob while looking at the viewscreen of the camera. Fly in and out of focus until you 'feel' the center of focus between your fingers and your brain (it's sort of like timing it, hard to explain, you just have to do it.) You may have to reset the Manual focus between each clip (it's a pain, but IMO a necessary evil.)

Although video mode is very preferred over single exposure for planets, if you can only do single exposures, the trick is to strike a balance between the shutter speed and the ISO setting. IMO, when first starting out, leave the ISO at 1600 and fiddle with the shutter speed first. Each object has different requirements. Considering that you might be using a non-tracking mount, I believe that you need to keep the shutter speed at 1/25th of a second or faster to minimize smudging from Earth's rotation.

SINGLE EXPOSURES OF PLANETS - Not many people are posting single exposures of planets these days, but if you just want to bag a few of these for the fun of it, these are estimates for single exposure's of Planets with the A590:
Mercury 1/30th to 1/60th of a second (phase dependent, better to do video mode on this very difficult object, and shoot during the daytime when near zenith and furthest from Sun, a neutral density filter can be of use too.)

Venus 1/60th of a second or even faster (phase dependent and filters usually necessary, consider getting a UV pass filter for this planet, but if you can't, throw every other filter you have at it. Wait for greatest elongation from Sun, or better yet, do it during the daytime when it's crossing your local Meridian, at greatest elongation from the Sun.)

Mars 1/25th of a second or faster (blue filters will show ice caps better, however neutral density filters are probably best for overall color.)

Jupiter 1/25th of a second

Saturn 1/20th to 1/10th of a second

Uranus 1 second

Neptune 1.6 seconds.

Sun - using an Orion glass solar filter, video mode with addtional moon/neutral density filters is best, but if you have to use single exposure, 1/500th to 1/800th of a second exposures are a good place to start.

Comets- 10 to 15 second exposures, ISO 1600.

Meteors - set camera shutter to multi-frame (I use a clamp to very gently hold down the shutter button while in multi-frame mode), set for 6 second exposures (no telescope or tracking mount necessary), ISO 1600 and at the widest optical field of view (don't worry, you can still get detail because it's an 8 megapixel camera.) Here's a recent meteor I caught at the peak of the Orionids
http://setisociety.org/meteorat125IMG_0579.jpg
and here it is again relative to Orion
http://setisociety.org/MeteorNearOrionIMG_0579.jpg

M42 Orion - 15 seconds, multiple frames stacked, ISO 1600.

Globular clusters and Galaxies, 15 seconds, ISO 1600, multiple frames stacked.

Good luck, Jason Higley

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Edited by Jason H. (11/04/09 03:15 PM)


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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light new [Re: Jason H.]
      #3429062 - 11/04/09 11:39 AM

Wow, that's the best post I've ever read on cam settings, thx Jason!

I will try everything you said! One thing! When you are setting the exposure setting, EX: 1/15 , 1/25, etc, what about the F4, F5, F6 part? Do you manually set that? When I'm sitting down and looking at my cam settings everything looks adjustable, but when I go on the field and start taking pics, weird stuff seems to happen, like not being able to set some settings, red, yellow lights going on and off, grrrr!

Anyhow, thx for the post, I think I understand what to do now, besides setting the Focal lenght part?

Also, when you have the camera plugged in an adapter, is it normal to get that red flashing battery symbol on the top right corner?

It seems most of my shots lsat night were taken in iso 800-1600 but with a 1/1250 F6-F7 setting, hmmm. I will need to try more setups.

I use an F4.7 1200 FL Dob scope with no tracking, but really dont mind. It's fun!

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Re: Saturn and stuff - Canon A590 P&S cam's 1st light [Re: NorthWolf]
      #3429430 - 11/04/09 03:37 PM

The lowest possible F number will usually be limited by where you are while zooming the optical lens. When doing DSO's without a scope, it's possible to force it down to ~F2.6; I generally don't like to force it below what is set automatically by the camera operating system as it seems to cause a change in the apparent curvature of the field of view (i.e. the image seems more curved at F 2.6, especially if the camera tried to set it higher after zooming; in the mid-range of F stops is perhaps where the lenses were designed to work with 2x zoom?)

Bottom line, I usually don't change the default F number set by the camera software based on the camera's estimate of where the lens is located during zoom.

Regards, Jason Higley

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