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Zoeff
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Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refractors?
      #3430219 - 11/04/09 11:45 PM

I've recently purchased a Long Perng 90ED f/5.5 and I'm trying to figure out what the best wide-field option would be for touring the night sky. The Orion Q70 38mm caught my eye but it doesn't appear to be "aspheric" which from what I can understand is supposed to act like a field flattener.

Would this eyepiece give me satisfactory views or should I look at aspheric eyepieces? I'm not even sure what the maximum FOV of my scope is, or if this even matters.

Thanks!

EDIT: The aspheric option I was looking at is the Hyperion 36mm Aspheric. It costs almost twice as much though...

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Telescopes: NexStar 8SE, 90ED f/5.5 doublet, Galileoscope
Accessories: Hyperion 36mm, GSO 32mm, E-lux 25mm, Hyperion 8mm,
DBK 41AU02.AS, 2x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Solar Filter, UHC Filter
My (astro-)photos can be found on flickr.

Edited by Zoeff (11/04/09 11:59 PM)


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plyscope
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Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refractors? new [Re: Zoeff]
      #3430389 - 11/05/09 03:33 AM

If you used a 2" eyepiece with a field stop of 46mm (the maximum available for 2" eyepieces) then your scope would have a field of view of over 5 degrees. Sorry I am not familiar with the Orion or Hyperion eyepieces.

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Andy

6" f15 refractor
90mm f16.7 refractor


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Zoeff
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Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refractors? new [Re: plyscope]
      #3430823 - 11/05/09 11:05 AM

The Q70 has a field stop with a diameter of 45.7mm, sounds like it'll (theoretically) do the job just fine. I can't find any extra specifications on the Hyperion though.

EDIT: I forgot to ask if either eyepiece would perform half-decent on my C8 as a bonus.

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Telescopes: NexStar 8SE, 90ED f/5.5 doublet, Galileoscope
Accessories: Hyperion 36mm, GSO 32mm, E-lux 25mm, Hyperion 8mm,
DBK 41AU02.AS, 2x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Solar Filter, UHC Filter
My (astro-)photos can be found on flickr.

Edited by Zoeff (11/05/09 11:24 AM)


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Scott99
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Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refractors? new [Re: Zoeff]
      #3430870 - 11/05/09 11:31 AM

The eyepiece doesn't necessarily need an aspheric lens to work well. The best options would be 35mm Panoptic or 31mm Nagler. They do not have aspheric lenses but they will have the best edge definition, the next tier would be somthing like Hyperion which are nice but not quite as good at the edge as the big TV's.

You could get a little wider field with a 40mm eyepiece like the 41mm Panoptic, but at f/5.5 the exit pupil will probably be too big, unless you're under 30 years old.

Sure, the eyepiece will work great in an f/10 SCT, they will only work better as the f/raio increases

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8x22 Steiner Safari binos

Edited by Scott99 (11/05/09 11:32 AM)


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Zoeff
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Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refractors? new [Re: Scott99]
      #3430928 - 11/05/09 12:03 PM

The Panoptics and Nagler TV's are way outside my price range - I'm only thinking of using them for random touring...

On the other end of the scale the 40mm EPs don't have the nice 70+ degree AFOV. Hmm...

I've also just read this review: http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=2064
Clears up some issues on specifications.

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Telescopes: NexStar 8SE, 90ED f/5.5 doublet, Galileoscope
Accessories: Hyperion 36mm, GSO 32mm, E-lux 25mm, Hyperion 8mm,
DBK 41AU02.AS, 2x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Solar Filter, UHC Filter
My (astro-)photos can be found on flickr.


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ebusinesstutor
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Loc: Nanaimo, BC, Canada
Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refractors? new [Re: Zoeff]
      #3431208 - 11/05/09 02:17 PM

Another option for low power, wide angle sky touring is the Seibert Observatory 36mm. Mid range in price between the Q70 and the Panoptics.

This page at Siebert Optics shows a test between their observatory eyepiece and a Panoptic.

If you search on Cloudy Nights, you will find several reviews on the Siebert eyepieces.

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Garland Coulson
Orion XT8i Dob & Celestron 80 ED on a Vixen Porta Mount Mini
Baader Hyperion 8-24mm Click Zoom & Siebert Observatory 36mm
Siebert Black Knight Binoviewers
SkyWatcher Observing Chair
Celestron Skymaster 15x70mm binos


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Midnight Dan
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Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refracto new [Re: ebusinesstutor]
      #3431279 - 11/05/09 02:49 PM

Hi Zoeff:

I got your PM regarding the Aspheric 36 and will respond here. First though, did you see the review of this EP by David Knisely on the main Cloudy Nights page? I think his assessment is pretty accurate and agrees with what I've experienced.

As EPs get wider views and lower powers, they get harder to correct. So it takes some pretty good (and expensive!) glass to get a perfect or near perfect view when you're talking about 36mm and 70° plus AFOV. Point is, all EPs in this sub $200 range will experience distortions to one degree or another towards the edge.

Having said that, I compared several reasonably priced low power Wide view EPs and found that, for me, the Hyperion Aspheric fared the best. Specifically, I compared it agains the GO (Garrett Optical) 32mm, 72° AFOV Superwide. This is the exact same EP as the Q70, just in different trade dress.

Between these two I can wholeheartedly recommend the Hyperion Aspheric. The GO had significant field curvature over the outer 30% of the view. To me, if that much of the view is essentially unusable, you might as well be buying a narrower view EP. The Hyperion had some astigmatism but only at the outer 10% to 15% of the view. Plus the overall sharpness and contrast was noticeably better than the GO.

I also compared it to the Meade series 5000 34mm. The differences between the two were small, and it kinda depends on what particular distortion you like or dislike. The Meade did not have the astigmatism, but instead had very noticeable pincushion distortion. Scanning around the sky provided a fishbowl effect that I didn't like. For stationary views, it was maybe a slight bit better than the Hyperion, but was also MUCH larger and heavier. I ended up getting the Hyperion because having a lightweight EP that fits well in my EP case and doesn't throw my scope out of balance is also important to me.

I think the "Aspheric" simply means that the design uses aspheric elements which allows it to perform similar to other EPs but with much less glass. I'm guessing, but I think that's how it could compare so well to the Meade and yet be so much lighter.

-Dan

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Scopes: Celestron NexStar 8SE, Orion EON 72mm ED/APO, Orion ShortTube 80
Mounts: NexStar Alt/Az GoTo, Orion Astroview (EQ3) w/single axis drive
Eyepieces: Baader Hyperion 36mm (Aspheric), 21mm 13mm, 8mm, 5mm;
Other: 2x & 3x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Dew-not strips, DewBuster controller, SQM Meter


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Zoeff
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Re: Widest FOV and asperic eyepieces with refracto new [Re: Midnight Dan]
      #3431400 - 11/05/09 03:50 PM

The Hyperion seems to be the best value for my purposes. Now to scrape even more money together for yet another trip to the 'grocery store'...

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Telescopes: NexStar 8SE, 90ED f/5.5 doublet, Galileoscope
Accessories: Hyperion 36mm, GSO 32mm, E-lux 25mm, Hyperion 8mm,
DBK 41AU02.AS, 2x Barlow, 0.63x Focal Reducer, Solar Filter, UHC Filter
My (astro-)photos can be found on flickr.


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