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nofxrx
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Okay,consider when we decide to mod our DSLR..99% of the time we leave the Low Pass filter in place. Why? Is it just to keep AF working properly? Or,could it be that the microlensing on the sensor itself actually requires the SLIGHT blurring effect that the Low Pass filter provides? Or,could it be that without it we would see images that look over/too pixelated?if so,why?
I know these are techie questions.. But,after modding a cam,I started wondering if by simply removing this filter would provide slightly sharper images.. AND,if so,I could be the one who applies a slight blur to lessen the strong pixelation from certain images/edges/areas..instead of some piece of glass doing this for me,why cant I handle it,IF there is even an issue in processing?
This is all under the assumption that the lowpass filter does NOT have to be unstalled in order for the cam to work properly... I am only intersted in the output images....
Anyways, Thanks in advance for any help you can point me to or would like to share!
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KevinUK
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Besides the reasons you note, it also protects the underlying stock ir/uv cut filter and sensor. So removing it, and not replacing stock filter will leave your sensor exposed.
Personally, it would make cleaning dust amd specks a lot easier, and lessen the chance of trapped dirt sandwiched between filters, but this is purely a physical side-effect, others will have to comment on how this would effect the image content.
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Daniel Browning
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Okay,consider when we decide to mod our DSLR..99% of the time we leave the Low Pass filter in place. Why?
To reduce aliasing.
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Or,could it be that the microlensing on the sensor itself actually requires the SLIGHT blurring effect that the Low Pass filter provides?
No. Alaising characteristics are affected by the so-called "optical" fill factor, which includes the effect of microlenses. A 90% fill factor with no microlenses and a 90% fill factor with microlenses both provide the same amount of aliasing. Even with gapless microlenses (100% optical fill factor), aliasing still occurs.
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Or,could it be that without it we would see images that look over/too pixelated?
Yes. "Pixelated" is one way to describe aliasing. There are also many other ways: jaggies, stair-stepping, sparkling, "snap to grid", wavy lines, bands, fringing, popping, strobing, noise, false detail, unnatural, fake, etc.
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if so,why?
I'll explain in a moment.
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But,after modding a cam,I started wondering if by simply removing this filter would provide slightly sharper images..
It would provide higher microcontrast and aliasing, yes.
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AND,if so,I could be the one who applies a slight blur to lessen the strong pixelation from certain images/edges/areas..instead of some piece of glass doing this for me,why cant I handle it,IF there is even an issue in processing?
By the time you get to post processing, it's too late. The aliasing has already contaminated the image, and blurring will not necessarily help. For example, aliasing may introduce red and blue colors where there is only supposed to be yellow. If you blur it, that may help the edge problem, but the colors will get smeared together.
In real life, when you pour two liters of water into a one liter container, water spills out and makes a mess. But sampling theory is different: when you pour two liters of water into a one liter container, the water folds back on itself and corrupts the entire container! The amount of water is the level detail (spatial frequency), and the volume of the container is the number of megapixels of the sensor. Aliasing is the corruption. Anti-aliasing filters reduce detail down to a level that can fit within the pixel resolution.
Here is what aliasing looks like, using the Carina Nebula Panorama from Hubble as a demonstration (click images below for PNG):


The first image has very little aliasing, whereas the second is riddled with it. To some viewers the difference may be very subtle. It may help to do "A/B" comparison by opening each image in a browser tab and switching back and forth.
Some people prefer aliased images and feel they are "sharper" and more pleasing to the eye. Others dislike aliasing very much. Your personal taste will inform your choice to filter or not.
The demonstration doesn't really show the difference between Bayer CFA aliasing (which can be very nasty) and monochrome aliasing (acceptable to some).
If you do decide that you prefer anti-aliased images, then the next question is how to go about it. One possibility is to depend on imperfections in conditions (seeing), technique (focus), equipment (lens aberration, mount tracking, etc.), or diffraction itself to provide sufficient blur to reduce aliasing. If one or more of those apply to your situation then removing the anti-alias filter may be good solution. For example, the pixels on some sensors are so small that diffraction itself (at f/11) is a sufficient low pass filter. Otherwise, keeping the low pass filter is a good method.
Hope that helps.
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nofxrx
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WOW, Daniel,I figured it was a simple answer(it is,but much more involved than I originally thought)...lol
Thanks so much for the in depth reply. Being that 99% of my imaging at this point is with my Bayer DSLR,and a 102ED @ either F7 or F5.6,I dont think I will be removing the AA filter.
But,that does kinda raise a question on Mono sensors though.. Do manufacturers of higher end Mono CCD's(i.e. SBIG,Apogee,FLI,etc) use an aliasing technique in the electronics to help "compensate"?Or does the sensor window provide some kind of AA? Or do they just expect that most (>75%) of people will hardly ever see these effects with the average seeing in most areas and the F/L's used by most people? I know that is more a question for the "other forum"..lol.Just kinda curious how those cams would deal with this issue.... Or I guess it could be that sometimes we mistake the aliasing as oversampling...maybe?
I guess the only way to find out if it would improve my imaging would be to test it..
Thanks again!!! CS!
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