Greg K.
Reged: 12/11/03
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I switched to Bootcamp - easier than trying to debug the USB rights issue for the vitual machines. But it was pretty darn slick.
Keep us posted on what you think.
I haven't tried VirtualBox yet (downloading it now) but VMWare Fusion it's easy to manage USB ownership. Each device has an icon on the status bar and it can be enabled/disabled for the VM from there. Of course it isn't free like VirtualBox or Bootcamp.
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rboe
Reged: 03/16/02
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Loc: Phx, AZ
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Virtual Box is similar. No workie. 
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Ron
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Charlie B
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Reged: 03/22/08
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Loc: Virginia
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The virtualbox's usb filter recognized my USB Maxtor drive fine. After starting SuSe 11.1 with the USB drive disconnected, I connected the USB and SuSE recognized and mounted it. I could see and read all my external drive files fine.
Thanks!
Charlie B
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Good news! It runs an existing physical istallation of SuSE 11 - that is, already installed on a standalone hard disk. Of rourse, it's like putting that disk into another computer (the VM) so the udev entries, graphics card, etc. will be wrong, but you just enter the root and resume devices on the GRUB boot entry. You can then set up a hardware profile to tell SuSE you are booting from the VM and not directly and choose the right hardware in that. That allows booting either directly or in the VM without fuss.
Unlike VMware, you can only create a raw vmdk disk file with the command line tool VBoxManage, e.g. on Windows with SuSE on the second hard disk
VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename SuSE.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive1
You then attach this vmdk to your VM and presto, it boots right up!
I'm extremely impressed by this software. I'd sell my VMware stock 
-drl
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rboe
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Hmm, makes me wonder if I can run my XP partition that way too. Dang, that would be cool. 
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Even the manual is first rate:
http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html
There's a lot of stuff in there about USB not working, for those having issues.
-drl
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psonice
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Reged: 07/24/09
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Ron: I run my bootcamp partition in vmware like that, so it's very likely
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StarWars
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Reged: 11/26/03
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Ron,
I don't think VBox will install on your Trash-80 ... 
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rboe
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Loc: Phx, AZ
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Oh man, I never had a T-80. 
Thanks for the tip on the manual. Hope to have to some time this weekend.
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NS11GPS
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daev
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Reged: 03/10/04
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Loc: On the edge of the desert
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Ahhh... the TRS-80... cut my teeth on assembly on those.
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Rob Willett
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Reged: 02/07/05
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Loc: London, UK.
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I run VMWare Fusion on my Mac Book, VMWare Workstation on my Windows XP laptop and VMWare ESXi on a server at home.
This allows me to have the right environment for doing the job, e.g. for home use we use Macs for everything BUT we need a couple of Windows applications for some uses, oddly enough managing a VMWare ESXI server which is a contradiction for me, but hey ho.
The laptop acts as my main development environment for the Setting Circles website that some of you have used. This VMWare runs CentOS which is then deployed into the VMware ESXI server for live use.
I find that VMWare to be in all instances reliable and fast. On my Macbook (4GB 2.0Ghz dual core), I can run Mac OS X, Windows XP and Centos 5.2 with virtually no slow down on the Mac.
The Windows XP just runs a small instance of Centos (256MB) and I never notice any slowdown at all.
The ESXi server runs, a boot manager, a firewall, two fileservers, a web server, a mail server and a database with no effort at all each in it's own dedicated VMWare instance. It's an older AMD 64 bit dual core machine with 4GB RAM and 2TB disk.
The point of all of this is that VMWare and it's associated software rivals, Parallels, MS Virtual machine, Virtual Box etc allow you to get far more specialised about how you operate and run your own IT system. Sometimes Windows is the best way to work, sometimes Linux or Unix is, if you have a decent emulation facility then you can have your cake and eat it. Linux on a virtual machine runs great, Windows is not so good as it's quite graphics intensive. Mac OS X can just about run in a virtual environment but there are loads and loads of issues, not least of which is the legality of this outside VMWare Fusion.
My experience is VMware and Parallels, I've paid money for both and continue to pay money for VMWare. Well worth it and well worth looking into to work out what it could do for you.
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Thanks,
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I was almost sure VBox would be inferior to VMWare, with which I have pretty extensive experience. Not at all - this is a fantastic VM hosting application - I'm really stress testing it (right now it's on my other monitor downloading a bunch of dev tools for Linux). The mouse handling and graphics integration is at least equal and probably superior to VMWare. There were absolutely zero problems installing it. The one tiny bug I've encountered is that the KDE4 task bar cannot be auto-hidden at the bottom of the screen (the mouse will not unhide it there). The auto-resize feature (using XRANDR) is amazingly transparent. The VBox pseudo-graphics adapter is extremely fast.
Remember I am running a real installation of Linux on a physical disk - that disk can boot and run Linux natively from my BIOS - running it in the Vbox window is ridiculously trouble-free, spookily so, as one forgets he's dealing with a VM.
-drl
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Virtual blast from the past!
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rboe
Reged: 03/16/02
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Loc: Phx, AZ
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Oh man, scare the bajeebers out of me! 
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Ron
NS11GPS
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Dadgummit, where's my OS/2 Warp CD??
If you're going to do DOS in VMs remember to install a HLT instruction TSR, and similar VXD in Windows. Otherwise your processor will melt through the system board..
-drl
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