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Tony Flanders
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Reged: 05/18/06
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Loc: Cambridge, MA, USA
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I personally don't really like the idea of cutting down or killing perfectly heathly trees ...
I understand and sympathize, and certainly wouldn't do it lightly.
But questions worth asking yourself are: Why is it different from weeding a garden? Why is it different from cutting the same trees with a lawnmower when they're seedlings? Do you mind cutting big trees more than small ones, or old ones than young ones (not the same thing!) and if so, why? How do you feel about underbrush? How do you feel about dandelions? What about thistles? Poison ivy?
All these questions have many perfectly good, and different answers. But I always find it helpful to consider my prejudices in context rather than taking them at face value.
-------------------- Tony Flanders
First and foremost observing love: naked eye.
Second, binoculars.
Last but not least, telescopes.
And I sometimes dabble with cameras.
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lightfever
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Reged: 09/27/04
Posts: 1276
Loc: Macomb Michigan
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There are some special trees I would not cut down, If it was a black walnut or hickory I would need to come up with another solution.
-------------------- Mark
Tasco 15-TE 76mm
Sky Watcher 80mm ED
AT-111 Triplet
XT8i (with Woden re-figured mirror)
Discovery 12.5" f/5 Premium DHQ (PDHQ Split-tube Dobsonian)
12.5" f/6.3 Dob (Underconstruction)
Celestron CG-5GT EQ Mount
Celestron C4 EQ Mount
"Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, but learning to dance in the rain" unknown
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magic612
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Reged: 09/30/08
Posts: 556
Loc: Somewhere south of Chicago, IL
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When my wife and I went house-hunting 9 years ago, we had a choice: New neighborhood with no trees, or old neighborhood with mature trees. This was something of a conscious decision, as the style of house was unimportant, but the kind of yard we had WAS. We chose "old neighborhood." By extension, we ended up with some very mature trees in our yard.
In the grand scheme of things, this works rather well: We get plentiful shade during the hot Midwest summers, good cooling protection for the house during the same, and plenty of leaves for the kids to jump in during the fall (despite the hard work it is to rake them and keep them out of the gutters). Unfortunately, although my back yard is wonderfully protected from light (house, garage and large pine tree protect most of three sides, and our neighbor the west turns off lights with one simple phone call), I have 3 very tall maple trees along the south end of the yard. With a 76 foot wide lot, and 75-80 foot high trees, well - do the math. I don't see much to the south. Overhead is GREAT. But southerly views are from the front yard.
Is that ideal? NO. My front yard is not well-suited to observing: One "constantly on" outdoor light from a next-door neighbor, and two others that are often on, plus two more beacon-like garage lights from 4 houses away. There is a small "wedge" of darkness that I can find near the southeast corner of my house, but it affords me a view of only S and SE - almost nothing SW, and even some of the directly south is not good, as it's right over my neighbors house and in-between some trees.
Could I cut down the maples in my backyard? Yeah. In the big-picture, would it be worth it to do so? Probably not. Now granted, one of them is very narrow, and may have some developing health issues. Conceivably, it may HAVE to come down. And that would give me a small slice of the "due south" sky from my back yard.
But unless and until it really NEEDS to come down, I can view a pretty darn good portion of the sky. WOuld I like to be able to see more? Well, duh - of course! But I personally don't see much benefit, as the only benefit is to ME. So beyond environmental concerns and perhaps being pejoratively labelled a "tree hugger" - the reality is that if I did such a thing, it would be completely and totally selfish of me. I have other places from which to observe. Not ideal, perhaps, but usable. Plus, there are friends of mine in the country who have offered their yards for observing, so I have other spots from which to see the sky.
Is it fair of me to cut down at least two (or more) trees in my backyard simply so I can have a bit better observing towards the south for what amounts to a couple days worth of observing over a year's time? Given how much my family benefits from the shade the trees provide (not to mention the energy savings for my own checkbook), I'd say it would be unfair of me to do so.
To each his / her own, but I try to consider others before I make a unilateral decision. Yes, my yard, my property. But it affects more than me.
-------------------- - Celestron C8+, Orion 90mm f/10, Orion ST-80, 5" f/8 Dob, 127mm f/9.4 refractor, 114mm f/8 on DS GoTo, 60mm Sears 6333-A, 127mm f4.4 refractor lens (current project), 12" f/5 mirror (future project)
- Orion Vista 10x50s (5 deg), Sears #6207 7x35 (7 deg), Jason #138 Statesman 7x35 (11.5 deg)
Yes, I'm addicted to telescopes and binoculars. I am getting help. Every time I look at the heavens, it helps.
http://www.eyesonthesky.com
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94bamf
professor emeritus
Reged: 12/15/08
Posts: 707
Loc: Kansas City,Mo
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I personally don't really like the idea of cutting down or killing perfectly heathly trees ...
I understand and sympathize, and certainly wouldn't do it lightly.
But questions worth asking yourself are: Why is it different from weeding a garden? Why is it different from cutting the same trees with a lawnmower when they're seedlings? Do you mind cutting big trees more than small ones, or old ones than young ones (not the same thing!) and if so, why? How do you feel about underbrush? How do you feel about dandelions? What about thistles? Poison ivy?
All these questions have many perfectly good, and different answers. But I always find it helpful to consider my prejudices in context rather than taking them at face value.
I think I just like trees. It is mainly because of their age and size. I am no enviro wacko by any means, I have no problem sleeping at night after cutting my grass.. If cutting down trees provided me with something I "needed" like firewood, or just general safety from it falling on my house/property, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Whatever my personal feelings or prejudices are about cutting down trees or other plant life, I feel no need or desire to impose them on somebody else..
Ken
-------------------- Telescopes:
Celestron C6 SCT on CG4 mount
Skywatcher 8 inch F/5 Newt on a GEM
Celestron 8 inch Starhopper Dob
Celestron Oynx 80ED
Celestron C130 Mak
Celestron C102HD
Binoculars:
Nikon 7x35 Action
Nikon 7x50 Action
Zen Ray Summit 10x42
Celestron 10x42 Noble
Orion 10x50 Scenix
Celestron 10x50 Noble
Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II
Celestron 15x70 Skymaster
Oberwerk 20x60
Zhumell 20x80
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