WarrenS
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Most of these 127 triplets on the market to date have the retractable sliding dewshield as does my 1 1/2 year old "Astro-Tech/Meade". As far as I can tell, Explore Scientific 127 triplets were the first to use a reversible dewshield. Whether all these scopes going forward under other brand names will have reversible dewshields someone else needs to answer that question. Regarding the low price, last year on the Austrailian astro site, posters were talking about how they ordered directly from the factory in China and did get decent scopes while saving big bucks. Not something I would do, but to each his own.
-------------------- Warren
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Ennis
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Actually....this very scope, from North Group, has received high praise from numerous amateur astronomers in Australia. Check out the "Ice In Space" forum. So, if you were to purchase this scope, you would probably be happy. HOWEVER, one can reasonably assume that, at this price point, it is a bit of a risk to purchase this scope from North Group. If you did have a problem, sending it back to China for repair/refund may be impractical. BTW, this is basically the same scope sold by Explore Scientific in the USA for $2000. For the extra bucks, one gets a higher order of quality control (or so I believe) and someone to call if a problem is encountered. I can personally vouch for the very fine customer service at Explore Scientific.
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Would you please provide links to those threads?
I no longer have the links to those threads, but they're there. You can look for them, if you're interested. If you cannot find them, then post a new thread there. You will get plenty of responses. I did when I posted questions about the 127ED.
The Australians are very helpful, friendly, and polite.
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DLB242
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Most of these 127 triplets on the market to date have the retractable sliding dewshield as does my 1 1/2 year old "Astro-Tech/Meade". As far as I can tell, Explore Scientific 127 triplets were the first to use a reversible dewshield. Whether all these scopes going forward under other brand names will have reversible dewshields someone else needs to answer that question. Regarding the low price, last year on the Austrailian astro site, posters were talking about how they ordered directly from the factory in China and did get decent scopes while saving big bucks. Not something I would do, but to each his own.
I asked the OP about location I am wondering if he is outside the US because the $ is after the 950 not in front like in the States.
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WarrenS
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Why is it that folks around here find it so easy to look at a photo, figure that the thing in the picture appears to be similar to another scope they know, and presume to be in a position to advise?
Regards,
skybsd
Many here are "equipment junkies" I would surmise. There are only so many Chinese built 127mm triplets with blue trim floating around. The scope in the OP's photo is 100% identical to my Astro-Tech (made originally for Meade)and identical to the photos of Meade 127 triplets posted here. Same manufacturer, same scope. Follow the refractor forum long enough and closely enough and you'll easily spot enough commonality in equipment. Various marketing brands are made by a handful of factories.
-------------------- Warren
Astro-Tech 127EDT
Celestron Onyx 80ED
Astro-Tech Field Flattener
C8 (circa 1983 Orange Tube)
Atlas EQ-G, Orion SSAG
Canon 135mm F2.8
Canon 40D, Astronomik CLS clip filter
Leica, Minolta binos
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Bratman2
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I checked on a Maxvision 127mm a couple of years ago through a coworker that travels to China on a regular basis. My cost was going to be about $1500.00 plus any charge to bring the scope back to the US (customs). I decided that if I had any issue how would I get it corrected. Was not worth the risk to me. I had wrongly thought that maybe they would be sub $1000 in China. That was a couple of years ago so things may have changed.
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skybsd
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Hello Warren,
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Many here are "equipment junkies" I would surmise. There are only so many Chinese built 127mm triplets with blue trim floating around. The scope in the OP's photo is 100% identical to my Astro-Tech (made originally for Meade)and identical to the photos of Meade 127 triplets posted here. Same manufacturer, same scope. Follow the refractor forum long enough and closely enough and you'll easily spot enough commonality in equipment. Various marketing brands are made by a handful of factories.
See.., this is where things get kinda funny.
I am quite aware of the almost "family" tree of M.I.C.'d telescope and optical components that are floating around in the various guises.
So whilst I see your point - at the same time, many would also get into (zealous, even) emotional exchanges where the samples in question center on whether or not scopes and accessories sold elsewhere, under various names are actually the same products as "certain other" named scopes and accessories.
Thus, one is left with the impression that there are some names to which the same logic of "looks like, smells like" does not apply? 
Thanks.
Regards,
skybsd
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Kal
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It's not always speculation skybsd, sometimes you get to see some factory pics which pretty much confirm what is suspected. I quick search finds these pics which show Maxvision and Meade products being built in the Kunming Jinghau factory. I've seen the meade 127 triplets in some shots side by side with the Maxvsion equivalents somewhere else in the past as well.
(warning, lots of pics in link) link
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Thanks Guys for you usful and valid Participation. Regarding location it is outside US, but the price are in US dollars. AT home i dont have local supplier for telescopes, so for me it is the same process if i order it from US or any other place. Which made me think about that telescope is that i have read in one forum under the title of (WHERE TELESCOPE COME FROM) that most of it are manufactored in China offcourse under special specification .Then i got the idea since the price in really incuraging let me take shotcut and get it directly from china.But really i am afraid of optics quality. if it is bad then no matter how much it is cheap
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As per the manufactorer the tube length of ED127 is 90cm including our dual speed focuser.
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It's not always speculation skybsd, sometimes you get to see some factory pics which pretty much confirm what is suspected. I quick search finds these pics which show Maxvision and Meade products being built in the Kunming Jinghau factory. I've seen the meade 127 triplets in some shots side by side with the Maxvsion equivalents somewhere else in the past as well.
(warning, lots of pics in link) link
Here's a translated version of his link.
Not for nothing, but from that Ice in space thread regarding direct purchase. I followed that thread to the end. Those guys received the EXACT same scope that Meade Europe is selling in the UK. Also sold under a few other brand names engraved, or silk screened on the OTA somewhere.
The main difference, was that the scope purchased had no branding, and the optical quality seemed to be as good, if not equal to, the branded ones.. Not one complaint from anyone who bought direct that I've been able to find.
BTW, direct cost for that OTA shipped is under 1,200 USD FOB, door to door, one piece only.
-------------------- Mark
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jerr
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Hello All,
I observed this thread for a while and decided to take a risk. I ordered ED127APO today with bunch of extras. Apart of the scope I decided to try UWA EPs of 80 and 82deg. I could not refuse when I saw their price... Will write an update once will get the scope.
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WarrenS
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Looking forward to your report. I think you'll be very happy with the scope. I have the same one (different importer) and am very happy.
-------------------- Warren
Astro-Tech 127EDT
Celestron Onyx 80ED
Astro-Tech Field Flattener
C8 (circa 1983 Orange Tube)
Atlas EQ-G, Orion SSAG
Canon 135mm F2.8
Canon 40D, Astronomik CLS clip filter
Leica, Minolta binos
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stevew
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Most of these 127 triplets on the market to date have the retractable sliding dewshield as does my 1 1/2 year old "Astro-Tech/Meade". As far as I can tell, Explore Scientific 127 triplets were the first to use a reversible dewshield.
Can someone explain a reversable dew shield? Not sure I have ever seen one. Thanks
Steve
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jerr
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My first APO has just arrived today. Very well packed indeed.
-------------------- jerr
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jerr
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One more pic...
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jerr
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...and one more...
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jerr
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heavy duty case is high quality
-------------------- jerr
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jerr
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and so is the scope!
-------------------- jerr
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