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Vic Menard
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: pstarr]
      #3428821 - 11/04/09 08:54 AM

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...Below is my chart showing light cutoff for the 1.3" secondary I used in my 6" f-6 with 7" tube and 5.5" distance to focal plane. Very good to about 3/8" fov.

Off-Axis Illum. Light Loss
0.00 in 100.0% 0.00 mag
0.10 in 100.0% 0.00 mag
0.20 in 100.0% 0.00 mag
0.30 in 95.12% 0.05 mag
0.40 in 84.77% 0.17 mag
0.50 in 73.25% 0.33 mag
0.60 in 61.50% 0.52 mag



Did you mean very good to about 3/8-inch radius fov?

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Simoes Pedro
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: Luigi]
      #3429422 - 11/04/09 03:31 PM

As a rule of thumb use the inverse of the focal ratio.

If your scope is f6 then the obstruction could be 1/6.

A f4 mirror would have a 25% obstruction.


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pstarr
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: Vic Menard]
      #3429663 - 11/04/09 06:42 PM

Yes Vic, that's exactly what I meant.

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10" Home built F-6 Eq Newt. w/Zambuto mirror, built for lunar and planetary viewing.
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Pentax XL 10.5mm
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: Keithdrengen]
      #3429698 - 11/04/09 06:59 PM

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The stock obstruction is 50mm. How do I find out the smallest usable secondary size for visual? For future replacement. I dont know how to "read" the numbers in "Newt".

CJ




Hi CJ:

Getting the numbers and understanding their implications, as you have surmised, are two different things. I'd recommend popping over to my web site and reading "Sizing Up the Newtonian Secondary" to get some insight into the understanding side of the equation.

As for getting the numbers, I personally don't think Newt is the best tool for the job. Others in this thread have suggested better calculators. But in the end, you're going to have to make some compromises (there are only so many sizes to choose from) -- the trick is knowing what they are and understanding their meaning.

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Mark Harry
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: GaryS]
      #3430474 - 11/05/09 06:54 AM

Maybe we ought to ask what the scope would be used for primarily- planetary, or general purpose viewing. (?) It would likely make a difference as to the demands of secondary size.
Mark

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Doug Reilly
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: Mark Harry]
      #3432558 - 11/06/09 09:38 AM

I really like Mike Lockwood's discussion and table of secondary sizes. He lists mirrors by aperture and focal ratio, secondary to focal plane height, and illuminated field. For planetary, you can choose the .25", for wider field/general use, the .5" illuminated field.

http://www.loptics.com/ATM/diagonals.html

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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? [Re: Mark Harry]
      #3434937 - 11/07/09 04:21 PM

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Maybe we ought to ask what the scope would be used for primarily- planetary, or general purpose viewing. (?) It would likely make a difference as to the demands of secondary size.
Mark




It will be used for the moon below at low to 100x and just gazing at starfields, the milkyway and such. Quite casual I guess.


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Mark Harry
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Re: 6" f6 obstr. size? new [Re: Keithdrengen]
      #3435452 - 11/07/09 10:02 PM

Multi-purpose. Try to get a field of near half inch diameter that's 100% illuminated. You'll have to make a choice between 1.3 and 1.52 sizes. If you can get a really low height focuser, I'd go for the 1.3.
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