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CollinofAlabama
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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner new [Re: RonBurgundy]
      #3434737 - 11/07/09 01:55 PM

Wow, an 11" SCT would be about the antithesis of portable. I mean, compared to a 7" APO, perhaps, but compared to any 120mm refractor and any 8" or smaller dob, I guarantee you'll get many more hours of enjoyment (due to easy setup) from these lesser scopes. In our Club we have a guy who owns a 20" F/4 and an 11" Meade SCT. From my experiences with him, I'd say the set up, though close, is probably a little less stressful for the 20". And the corresponding views? no contest!

But a 20" dob is a ludicrous notion for grab 'n go.

I have to note that this friend with the 11", as well as other friends who've owned all manner of push-to and go-to technology, all but one have had various troubles with their 'go-to' systems. The one that I do not know has had problems has one of the Orion XT10i push-to scopes. He's the only one I know of who hasn't had various problems with the technology at some point or the other. And this guy has done trouble-shooting for a different friend who did have trouble with his push-to Orion mechanism. I have a good astronomy friend who's deeply into astrophotograpy, even making some pretty respectable images, one of M33 that I have on my wall. But even he has had troubles with various computer go-to gadgetry from time to time.

The argument that go-to helps from urban skies observing has its problems, too. Although for a complete neophyte, go-to has a lot to offer in regards to suburban/urban astronomy, but for anyone who's had an undriven 4.25" reflector (or even a well used spotting scope or pair of binoculars), the benefits lessen considerably. There are only so many spectacular DSOs that still look pretty good in a small aperture scope (less than 12") under suburban/moon blighted skies. After one learns where M13, M31, M57, M27, M81/82, M8, and M3 are, well, you've not got a whole lot left, deep sky wise. I mean, you can find the objects, but they're usually not worth looking at under such conditions in anything less than truly large aperture. Go-to might be more beneficial for obscure double-stars, but again, even on a full moon night, Albireo or Eta Cassiopeiae are pretty easy for me to put in even my F/9 100mm refractor. I grant that tracking is definitely nice for public star parties and prolonged study of a particular target (especially Jupiter, Saturn, the moon, etc.)

Again, everyone is different and determining what will work for you, Mickey, is something no one here can really do. You'll have to find that out. Still, knowing what I know from my particular point of view, if I could have a go-to whiz bang 8" SCT (already huge and heavy at that size, btw) or the 120mm ED SW-cum-AZ4 as Dennis Di Cicco describes in his article on page 38 of the October Sky and Telescope, there's no contest for me. The refractor would win every time. I like the S&T summary header for the article. WHAT WE LIKE has a list of nice features, but WHAT WE DON'T LIKE has 'Nothing.' Dennis Di Cicco reviews and uses more scopes in a year than most folks will use in a lifetime. That's a pretty strong rec, people.

Oh well, I've definitely used up my 15 minutes of CN fame on this post. Good luck Mickey, and whatever you get, I hope you enjoy it.

CDS

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Mickey
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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner new [Re: CollinofAlabama]
      #3435009 - 11/07/09 04:59 PM

After a lot of thought on this, reading threads, suggestions, thinking over what I'd like to get out of my new telescope, the pros and cons... I think I've figured out a long term game plan and I'll probably be getting two telescopes and two mounts. A 90mm-120mm Refractor and an 8" SCT.

As mentioned I've got a 4.5" Bushnell Voyager that is very portable and with an eyepiece upgrade, I think I'll enjoy using it much more. I plan to keep my 4.5" Voyager scope until I get a Refractor. So first on my list is get a TeleVue 20mm Plossl. Once I have a Refractor for wide field views, I plan to give my Bushnell Voyager to my local astronomy club as a loaner for beginners.

Next I plan to get a 8" SCT on a go-to GEM with tracking. I've worked over the idea of a larger 9.25, 11" too, but I really don't want to deal with the additional weight involved. I think an 8" SCT is going to suit me just fine. I do like the idea of having a go-to to help me find and track objects in the sky. But I also want to find my way around the sky on my own as well. So I'll use the 4.5" Bushnell Voyager for a grab & go and star hopping, until I get my Refractor.

I then plan to save my money and get a 90mm-120mm Refractor with a grab and go mount.

I've also been sitting on the fence and considering reversing this approach and going with the Refractor first and let the 8" SCT follow. I'll certainly have a learning curve with an 8" SCT go-to GEM and I feel I'd get more immediate use out of a Refractor on a simple grab & go mount. But either way I decide, I've settled on the idea that I'll have at least two telescopes for two different uses. I don't mind a learning curve, nor tinkering with equipment... but I do like the idea of simplicity too. After many years of looking through the 4.5" Voyager scope I would like a telescope with more aperture, so I'm leaning towards the 8" SCT to start out with... It's a hard decision.

One thing I have settled on is that I want a german equatorial mount and not a fork mounted SCT. This would allow me to use the go-to GEM with the Refractor I decide to get.

Mickey


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RonBurgundy
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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner new [Re: Mickey]
      #3435019 - 11/07/09 05:06 PM

Quote:

After a lot of thought on this, reading threads, suggestions, thinking over what I'd like to get out of my new telescope, the pros and cons... I think I've figured out a long term game plan and I'll probably be getting two telescopes and two mounts. A 90mm-120mm Refractor and an 8" SCT.

As mentioned I've got a 4.5" Bushnell Voyager that is very portable and with an eyepiece upgrade, I think I'll enjoy using it much more. I plan to keep my 4.5" Voyager scope until I get a Refractor. So first on my list is get a TeleVue 20mm Plossl. Once I have a Refractor for wide field views, I plan to give my Bushnell Voyager to my local astronomy club as a loaner for beginners.

Next I plan to get a 8" SCT on a go-to GEM with tracking. I've worked over the idea of a larger 9.25, 11" too, but I really don't want to deal with the additional weight involved. I think an 8" SCT is going to suit me just fine. I do like the idea of having a go-to to help me find and track objects in the sky. But I also want to find my way around the sky on my own as well. So I'll use the 4.5" Bushnell Voyager for a grab & go and star hopping, until I get my Refractor.

I then plan to save my money and get a 90mm-120mm Refractor with a grab and go mount.

I've also been sitting on the fence and considering reversing this approach and going with the Refractor first and let the 8" SCT follow. I'll certainly have a learning curve with an 8" SCT go-to GEM and I feel I'd get more immediate use out of a Refractor on a simple grab & go mount. But either way I decide, I've settled on the idea that I'll have at least two telescopes for two different uses. I don't mind a learning curve, nor tinkering with equipment... but I do like the idea of simplicity too. After many years of looking through the 4.5" Voyager scope I would like a telescope with more aperture, so I'm leaning towards the 8" SCT to start out with... It's a hard decision.

One thing I have settled on is that I want a german equatorial mount and not a fork mounted SCT. This would allow me to use the go-to GEM with the Refractor I decide to get.

Mickey




Excellent! I think that 120mm refractors and 8" SCTs are BORN to compliment each other. Or, I may just be biased...



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8" LX200-ACF
Orion 120mm F/5.0 Piggybacked Refractor
Meade UWA Set [4.7mm-30mm]
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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner [Re: RonBurgundy]
      #3435341 - 11/07/09 08:56 PM

Quote:

Excellent! I think that 120mm refractors and 8" SCTs are BORN to compliment each other. Or, I may just be biased...




Me too ! I love my 127mm Refractor & 8 inch Schmidt Newtonian combo . It's a kick setting them both up & going back & forth between them zeroed in on different objects or comparing the view between the two on the same object . Sometimes I'll let the AR5 track a Planet all night long while I buzz around the sky on DSOs' with the SN8 .
Two scopes are better than one !


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CollinofAlabama
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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner new [Re: Mickey]
      #3437217 - 11/08/09 11:06 PM

Good choice, Mickey. I had the opportunity to use a lot of 8" SCT's this past weekend. They're not nearly as bulky, massive and unfriendly as the 11" SCT. I still prefer wide field viewing, and honestly wouldn't trade my 6" F/6 dob for one, but to each his own. An 90mm-plus ED refractor on an alt-az mount is just plain joy. I don't even have that, exactly. But I'm pretty happy with the telescope setup I have now (AT80ED on Portamount, Orion 100ED on AstroView and the dob). Can't complain, and my scopes compliment scopes in our club, so when I'm observing with the guys, I can bring out my 100mm ED for Jupiter if our member with the 20" shows up to blow away everyone's lesser dob.

Good luck,

CDS

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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner new [Re: CollinofAlabama]
      #3440863 - 11/10/09 07:47 PM

Hello everyone,
My first scope was a CPC1100. It serves as a BIG grab and go scope which I love dearly; for some unknown reason I felt that I had to have a grab and go refractor 80mm, and then I got a 102mm f/11 refractor - I gave this one to my sweetie's dad ( dark skies! ) for when we visit!! Get the largest aperature (can't spell) you can afford (every time). There's a huge difference. Now I want a larger refractor!!!

Brain burned,
Bob

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CPC1100 w/Stellarvue 2" dielectric diagonal
AstroTelescopes 80 mm f/6 w/Celestron 2" mirror diagonal
Stelarvue M1 mount
Axiom LX 10mm 1.25"; 19mm, 23mm, 31mm 2"
CELESTRON 40mm Plossl (came w/ scope) 1.25"
Meade 5000 series 14mm Plossl 1.25"
Pentax XW 7mm 1.25"
a really inexpensive 4mm 1.25"
GSO 2" Barlow 2x w/ 1.25" adaptor
To many 1.25" filters - use only 3
OIII 1.25"
Lumicon Deep Sky Filter - SCT thread


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RonBurgundy
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Re: Refractor recommendations for a beginner new [Re: starrancher]
      #3440892 - 11/10/09 08:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Excellent! I think that 120mm refractors and 8" SCTs are BORN to compliment each other. Or, I may just be biased...




Me too ! I love my 127mm Refractor & 8 inch Schmidt Newtonian combo . It's a kick setting them both up & going back & forth between them zeroed in on different objects or comparing the view between the two on the same object . Sometimes I'll let the AR5 track a Planet all night long while I buzz around the sky on DSOs' with the SN8 .
Two scopes are better than one !





It's better than sliced bread

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Kipp Ginsburg
8" LX200-ACF
Orion 120mm F/5.0 Piggybacked Refractor
Meade UWA Set [4.7mm-30mm]
DSI-II


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