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jrbarnett
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TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report
      #3449225 - 11/15/09 11:03 AM

Last night was the Off Fisher Lane Irregulars (O.F.L.I.) last organized star party of 2009. As usual the session was hosted by the ever generous O.F.L.I. founder CNer cuzimthedad (aka "Dan") at his farm in Sonoma, CA. IN addition to a handful of O.F.L.I. regulars, many members of the "Nameless Napa Astronomy Association" (seriously, they are very organized, have been at it longer than O.F.L.I. and as of yet have no official name; so until they pick one, I'll call 'em N.N.A.A.).

It was also first light for my new Gibraltar Walnut with Sky Tour. I purchase the mount as an easy travel option for my near and dear TV-102 (as compared to the Orion Altas that scope usually rides on).

So here's the deal. Earlier in this forum I reported the "Enc Error" issues I was having with the azimuth encoder. By backing out the encoder shaft set screw and re-tightening it a little less firmly, I was able to eliminate the error message and obtain full 360-click rotation in each direction on the azimuth axis.

Initial alignment was a breeze. I used Vega then Polaris right at sunset. I used a cross-hair reticle 12.5mm Lumicon Orthoscopic, and still the Warp Factor was around +2, which surprised me. The manual suggests that you really want Warp factors < 1.0. Nonetheless for the early part of the evening the alignment was sufficient to put targets in a low power field of view. So far so good.

After a couple of hours, however, targets were considerably outside of the low power field. I used the "Align" feature to synch up the computer on each centered target, and that allowed me to place targets within 10 or so degrees of the synched target in the low power field, but targets on the other side of the sky were not even close, sadly being outside of a 2-degree field. Candidly, I am (a) not particularly happy with this level of accuracy (I expect better) and (b) have lingering concerns that I have some encode slippage or defect, even though the azimuth encoder no longer throws error messages. I will readjust the azimuth set screw tension today, but several times during the night I used the Encoder function to check both encoders and they seemed perfectly fine.

It could be me. It could be the electronics. It could be a combination of these things. I will be patient, but at present I give the Sky Tour a "C-/D+) as DSCs go. The lowly Orion Intelliscope system I've used on two different Dobs performs better. On the other hand, I've had worse issues with an Argo Navis/High Res encoder system.

Beyond the electronics, here is how I would rate the Gibraltar mount itself for use with the TV-102. It is relatively easy to adjust axial tension, but I found the azimuth motion to be consistently smoother when tensioned than the altitude motion. There's a bit of stiction in play in azimuth when you have enough tension to hold the OTA in position. Not bad, but not great either. I give it a solid "B" for axial movements.

The last performance-related item I would like to comment on is vibration dampening. I am a stickler for vibration dampening. I like to use higher magnifications and expect ~1 second dampening or better at ~140x in the TV-102. At magnification of over ~80x the Gibraltar displayed considerable vibration after focusing, taking more than 2 seconds to stabilize enough to check the focusing adjustment. It higher magnifications, the vibrations were even more pronounced. I should note that I did not use Vibration Suppression Pads on this first outing, and will do so next time to see if there's improvement in this quarter. I would give the Gibraltar a "C" for VSP-less vibration suppression.

The final item isn't related to performance, but rather to fit and finish. The Gibraltar with Sky Tour runs about the same as a GOTO-less Losmandy GM-8 or Celestron CGEM. The head is nicely machined; as nice as either of those mounts in build. The tripod is likewise well-made, but...the stain/oil on the wood leaves something to be desired. I forked out a little extra for walnut and shouldn't have bothered. The stain/oil is unevenly applied; there are several ares where the wood is extremely light due to thinly applied color/oil. Certainly easily remedied, but frankly for the price I expect a little better finish on the woodwork. Overall fit and finish (head plus tripod) I give it a "B-"; the score being brought down by the woodwork.

As I said, I will give it some more time and troubleshoot both user-induced variables (like my newness with this mount) and mechanical and electronic issues (like axial stiction which may be balance- or tensioning-related, and the accuracy problems with the Sky Tour setup). I am a little disappointed thus far though.

I am very curious about the accuracy issue in particular. I used a fairly high magnification eyepiece with cross hairs, and centered targets precisely in rapid succession, yet the unit lost alignment accuracy within a couple of hours. I suspect this is NOT standard or typical.

Report Card Summary:

Electronics: C-/D+
Axial Movements: B
Vibration Control (with TV-102): C
Workmanship and Finish: B-

As a boy, had I brought home a report card like this, I would have been in deep water.

Regards,

Jim

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3449555 - 11/15/09 02:14 PM

Post-tinkering report...

By light of day I've been tinkering with the Gibraltar head. I also read an excellent Tom Truscock article on DSSs in the Articles section of CN. This got me thinking about orthagonality issues - that is orthagonality (actually perpendicularity) of the encoder axes. The orion Intelliscope sysetem is able to keep objects near center for many, many hours. The caveat is that when you build the rocker box and install the encoders, you must then complete a step (one time only) where you adjust your vertical tube stop so that the tube is perpendicular to the base. You use a bubble level to do this.

Televue's solution to the vertical-stop/perpendicularity of encoder axes problem is to inscribe an "alignment mark" on the left pivot for the altitude axis. Drawing on my Intelliscope experiences, I set about to determine whether the alignment mark might not be accurately inscribed (it is basically two half circles that you match up to make a whole for alignment). Interestingly enough, when aligned to form a perfect circle with the mount itself level, the cradle is noticeably (two or three degrees) tilted from horizontal. Using a bubble level, then determined that the altitude mark is off by a little over a millimeter. I suspect that if I align using the actual "perpendicularity" point, my push-tos will be much more accurate. I will test this out next time I use the mount.

I also confirmed that if the azimuth encoder set/lock screw is too firmly tightened (NOT the clutch knob - I am talking about the deeply recessed allen screw (the top hole) on the azimuth "puck" under the cradle), I get encoder errors. With the screw just tight as I set it last night, I could freely use the azimuth clutch and saw no encoder errors.

I don't think the poor accuracy is related to the encoder issue. That issue has been addressed by adjusting azimuth set/lock screw tension less than super tight. Rather, I think the poor accuracy is an orthagonality issue triggered by reliance on the factory altitude alignment mark. I plan on carefully leveling the mount and then the altitude cradle using a bubble level, then taking an exacto knife and marking the correct offset from the factory mark. Alternately perhaps I can figure out how to adjust the external housing on which half the altitude alignment mark is engraved, and reposition it to the correctly perpendicular position.

More to come...

Regards,

Jim

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3449589 - 11/15/09 02:37 PM

Jim,
With regard to the vibration issue at higher magnifications, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the TV102 is too long and too heavy for the Gibraltar head.
I also had the same issue with the poor stain on the walnut Gibraltar tripod. The first time I loosened the tripod knobs and slid the legs into position, quite a bit of the stain came off. The tripod itself is solid, but you can certainly buy a more stout tripod for the same cost.
Good luck on the Sky Tour. I've never used it, mainly because Sky Commander cost quite a bit less and has a good track record.

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3449640 - 11/15/09 03:08 PM

Jim. With the Gibraltar, the VSP will help quit a bit. Make sure you get your leg knobs tight. Much less vibes if they are not extended all the way. What helps me the most is after I balance the scope and get the tension set just right I leave it alone. The tension is based off of a balanced scope, and if you balance with each eyepiece change you will not have to change the tension. I find it much easier to balance than to find the correct tension again each time. One thing that helped me was to get as close as possible the same amount of pressure on each tension knob. I never rely on the tightened down tension knobs to hold my scope in place during an eyepiece change. To do so could cause great damage.

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: Lt 26]
      #3449860 - 11/15/09 05:47 PM

Thanks for the continued feedback folks.

As for the vibration issue, I will try VSPs next session, and also extend the legs less than all the way (although the legs don't extend that far to be honest).

I am very confident that my inaccuracy issue was caused by lack of perpendicularity of the encoder axes at the alignment "rest" position. Here's why: First, so long as the azimuth encoder lock/set screw is not overly tight, both axes read their full range without errors, and return the cradle to its rest position with great accuracy. Second, the pointing problems I was seeing last night were progressive; inaccuracy increased as distance from alignment targets increased. At the extreme I was maybe 3.5 degrees off target, and near the alignment targets I was either on target or no more than a degree off as distance from alignment point increased. Also, my Warp factors were high despite the fact that I was using a moderately high magnification crosshair eyepiece to center alignment targets. Warps were in the 2.1 to 2.7 range consistently, when they should have been in the sub-1 range. I believe a mis-marked alignment point is logically the cause of these consistently bad Warp values.

I'll update the thread after I've tried out the new (truly perpendicular) alignment position.

Regards,

Jim

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3450733 - 11/16/09 07:48 AM

Quote:

I used Vega then Polaris right at sunset. I used a cross-hair reticle 12.5mm Lumicon Orthoscopic, and still the Warp Factor was around +2, which surprised me.




The first thing I did when I got my Gibraltar was to confirm its orthogonality.

1 - bubble level the tripod.
2 - check levelness of head on tripod. If you have a cyclops level place it on top of head with cradle moved back. Then rotate in azimuth 360deg and make sure that bubble stays fairly level. This checks the levelness of the 3 screws on the bottom of the head that sits on top of the tripod.
3 - Confirm accuracy of altitude mark with bubble level on cradle.

This really only has to be done once in that order to confirm orthogonality of the mount. My Gibraltar is well within the tolerances of my bubble levels and I average 0.1 to 0.5 (which is bad for me) warps with Vega and Polaris - and that's with visual centering with a Pan 24, then centering with Nagler 13. It stays on target throughout a 6-7 hour night with hourly alignments.

Quote:

At magnification of over ~80x the Gibraltar displayed considerable vibration after focusing, taking more than 2 seconds to stabilize enough to check the focusing adjustment.




I returned a set of VSP's because they had absolutely marginal improvement of vibration times. Here are my vibration times when setup on a hard surface:
<100X - sub 1 second when handling OTA and focusing
147X to 176X - <1 sec when handling OTA and ~1 sec focusing
220X to 293X - ~1 sec when handling OTA and ~1.5 sec focusing

I've been extremely happy with both tracking and the dampening times with the TV-102 Gibraltar combo. I have noticed that those times increase by 0.5 to 1 sec when on soft ground with the foot spikes in place. I've also become more accustomed to putting on just the right amount of tension on altitude/azimuth for smooth movement while having enough resistance to aid in reducing focusing vibrations. BTW - I observe with the tripod legs fully extended with all retaining knobs locked hard.

I would double check your orthogonality and if it checks out ok then I would suspect a possible shaft encoder issue or machining tolerance not being up to spec. Let me reaffirm to you Jim that you should not be having those problems. Sky Tour has been a joy to use because it's been so hassle free for me. I've had no thoughts about replacing my Gibraltar because mine moves smoothly and dampens vibrations very quickly. I hope you can get the DSC problem sorted out and get a bit better damping times. Good luck Jim!

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3451483 - 11/16/09 02:22 PM

I was considering the Gibraltar for my NP-101, but after reading your post I'm a bit reluctant. My chief reason was to be able to mount two finders.

Using my current Orion Skyview AZ mount with the Starbeam attached to the tube ring, mounting the RACI finder means it must end up lower and that's a major pain. It ends up hitting the focus motor when I balance so the ring is closer to the focuser. It can also hit the flip-mirror on the Starbeam.

But, on the plus side, the Orion shows hardly any more than a two-second decay with vibration when I'm way up in magnification (over 200X). I can point the scope towards Zenith which is not possible using the Gibraltar. And I can use two scopes at once. If I wish to add a computer locating system, there is one rather expensive unit that I'm told can be utilized with the Orion. But at over $400, I think I'll pass. I use Stellarium on a laptop to locate stuff and I find it to be far quicker as well as easier since there's no alignment necessary. And Stellarium is free to download. It's a terrific program and a must for any amateur astronomer.

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Televue TV-85
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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: nyc_nurse]
      #3451634 - 11/16/09 03:35 PM

Thanks Sam. I figure that if the Orion Intelliscope magnetic encoders (which have far fewer "ticks" than even lo-res optical encoders) can keep targets in the FOV for an entire session, so too will the Sky Tour setup.

If you think about it, alignment marks that are 1mm off translate into a pretty big positional error at "infinity". If I zero out the mount using the factory mark, the altitude cradle is inclined about 2 degrees from truly level (i.e., true perpendicularity with the azimuth encoder).

I hope to give it a go again this week and see if careful "zeroing" solves the issue. I am decidedly optimistic that it will.

As for vibration suppression, I plan on carefully rebalancing the OTA, and then leaving the legs about 6-inches from fully extended position, as well as try VSPs. Im not sure why my setup would be more vibration prone than others. I am using an Astro-Physics Maxbright diagonal, Televue "Equalizer" bronze 1.25"-to-2.00" adpater, Dew Not dew strips on both objective and diagonal neck, etc. Perhaps I have the Feathertouch Microfocuser set too stiff? Next go I'll reduce brake tension and also draw tube tension.

As for cosmetics, I should have followed suit and gone for the Ash legs. The lighter wood would hide scrapes better. The leg clamps remove walnut stain when the legs are extended. I will be re-staining the legs once in awhile to keep them looking good, but I went with Walnut because it's a bit harder and lighter in weight than ash. If I can get the mount head and electronics working well, I can happily live with beat up legs.

Regards,

Jim

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3451694 - 11/16/09 04:01 PM

It's puzzling that Orion hasn't made their Intelliscope unit available as an add-on to their SkyView AZ mount. For a brief period they did make a version of it available on their SkyView Pro EQ mount.

Jim, to hide scratches and nicks, try using Old English Furniture Scratch Cover. I've used it successfully to hid quite a few blemishes to the furniture. Once applied, it's hard to see where the mark was.

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Televue TV-85
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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: Starlighter]
      #3451796 - 11/16/09 05:02 PM

Thanks Starlighter. Olde English certainly would be simpler than periodic re-staining. I'll give it a try!

- Jim

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3451945 - 11/16/09 06:54 PM

Thank you for all this information. I would appreciate more updates as you go along. I'm thinking about purchasing the same system for my NP 101, so I have followed these various Gibraltar posts with interest. The straight Gibraltar though, not the G5. The NP 101 is shorter and the NP design distributes the weight a bit better, so I feel no need for the G5. And ash.

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: mountain monk]
      #3452459 - 11/17/09 12:13 AM

mm:

Will do. I hope to have a chance to try out my orthagonality theory sometime this week. Mine is not a Gibraltar 5 by the way, but rather a standard Gibraltar.

Cheers,

Jim

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3452539 - 11/17/09 01:40 AM

Janka hardness rating

ash, white - 5.9
walnut, black - 4.5

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: Lt 26]
      #3454053 - 11/17/09 09:22 PM

Check not only the orthogonality of the mount, but that the DSC encoders are orthogonal.

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: TomN]
      #3454938 - 11/18/09 11:53 AM

Tom:

Agreed that it's really the encoders that need to be perpendicular to one another, but how would I measure that to the extent that it differs from mount head axis orthagonality?

I admit that I am puzzled as to why tightening the azimuth encoder set/lock screw to factory tightness throws encoder errors. I would think that tighter would be better. That has me concerned that I may have a bent and/or non-vertical azimuth encoder shaft. Is that feasible?

Thanks!

Jim

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Edited by jrbarnett (11/18/09 12:06 PM)


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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3456126 - 11/18/09 11:43 PM

Jim, I would just start by removing and reinstalling the encoders. Look carefully at the mount and hardware to see if there are any anomalies. Could just be a bent bracket or screws threaded wrong, etc. Check those little O-rings on the encoder shafts, etc. I do hope you find a solution. I always get a low Warp number....

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: TomN]
      #3456130 - 11/18/09 11:45 PM

........but I am kinda warped anyway..

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3462407 - 11/22/09 03:43 PM

Jim:
Before we go any further, what version is the firmware in your SkyTour computer box? It will tell you when you first turn on the computer.......

Donnie

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: Wildthing]
      #3462428 - 11/22/09 03:58 PM

2.08.

Is that fairly current?

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Re: TV-102 + Gibraltar with Sky Tour Report new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #3462601 - 11/22/09 05:54 PM

Jim:
Yes that the latest version of firmware. The first version in the Sky Tour system was version 1.86 and it had timing loop problems. It though that an hour was something like 18~20 minutes or there about. With that version of firmware it caused your systems locating accuracy to get way off in a hurry right after the initial alignment. That version is virtually un-usable! Believe me I know, I got burned on a used unit. I kept having problems and I only found out about the problem from Televue. Since I bought it used and it was over 5 years old it had no warranty by TV. It cost me over $300 to get a new computer box with version 2.08. Now all is well! I will tell you that you can not cover the entire sky with the 2 star alignment. It will be most accurate in the ½ of the sky you aligned up in and be off more in the opposite area, however it gets you in the ballpark with a wide FOV low power eyepiece.

I always level my mount first and that seems to help. Also it very important that you hand tighten the big fluted knob under the tripods cast head as tight as possible by hand to secure the actual mount against the tripods head. Televue told me that!

Also you should check the machine screws that tighten the legs to the cast tripod head. They should not be loose but pretty snug! . I actually replaced mine with knurled head brass thumbscrews so I could loosen the legs up some for break down in the field and then re-snug them when setting back up.

I have a picture of that mod here on Cloudy Nights somewhere so do a search for TV Gibraltar under the mounts section.

Fixing these issues will help some with the vibration. Look very carefully at the top side Az bearing joint and make sure there is no play in the Az bearing as you flex the mount head by hand with some pressure. If there is any visible play you will need to snug up the Az bearing assembly a small amount. To do so you have to remove the black horizontal plastic/fiber cross support that holds the Az encoder from turning. It’s not necessary to remove the encoder to do this minor adjustment! You will then see 2 very small holes in the top half of the bearing hub. Using a small Allen wrench you need to loosen both set screws that are deep down in the 2 holes about a ½ turn each, then hold the bottom half of the bearing and snug up the top hub. Just barley snug it up by turing the top side clockwise ever so little. Too much and the Az will be very tight to turn. Adjust it so the Az motion is a bit stiff with the brake off and then re-snug the 2 small recessed set screws down to lock the bearings setting. The Az movement will free back up a little with some use.

I use an Orion 100mm f/6 Refractor on my Gibraltar and it’s a pretty good match for the mount. I once put a Celestron 102mm f/10 Refractor on the mount and it was usable but it had longer vibration damping time than the short tube Orion 100mm f/6 refractor.

Maybe this will help.

Donnie

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Stellarvue SV-102ED f/6.95
Orion 100mm f/6 Achro
Celestron Nexstar CPC 800 XLT
Celestron Nexstar 8/6SE


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