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DSalters
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Which C5 Extension Needed? new
      #3413534 - 10/27/09 07:32 AM

My recently acquired 2" GSO SCT Diagonal is in the way of the focusing knob. What sort of 2" threaded extension can I purchase to move the diagonal out a bit (~1/2") in order to allow me to turn the focusing knob?

It looks like scopestuff has a lot of options...

I suppose if I had to, I could cut the focusing knob down since it is easy to remove. I'd rather just extend the diagonal though (as long as this won't cause any problems coming to focus).

Thanks!
Daniel

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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: DSalters]
      #3413880 - 10/27/09 11:27 AM

Saniel, You need a female to male SCT threaded extension. The SCT threads are 48mm. SS used to have these available but I haven't seen them for a while.

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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: mclewis1]
      #3413970 - 10/27/09 12:15 PM

I had this problem as well, you can also pull the rubber focusing knob off and cut it down a little and you will have enough clearance to turn it. I think I had to cut off around 3/8" or so.

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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: mjtripper]
      #3414572 - 10/27/09 05:59 PM

If mine was rubber, it would be easier. I have one of the aluminum knobs for mine. I can cut it but it would be a shame to mess it up.

Will an extension cause any focus issues?

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Bushnell Voyager 6" Dob
13" Dob (Under Construction)
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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: DSalters]
      #3414703 - 10/27/09 06:59 PM

Unlikely the extension will cause you problems. The extension and the SCT diagonal both have much greater diameter openings than the baffle tube of the C5, so you won't get vignetting I believe.
And I believe Scopestuff still offers the extension you need.

http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_scet.htm

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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: Doug76]
      #3425046 - 11/02/09 07:27 AM

All right, I'm back. Thanks, Doug; I purchased those extensions and tried to install them last night. Everything matches thread-wise, but the free spinning part of the diagonal does not seat all the way because its threads are longer than the attachment. There's another 1/8" that needs to be taken up.

Now I'm just tempted to go back to the idea of a 2" visual back and a 2" refractor diagonal. The only other thing I can think of is making some kind of rubber washer to drop into there to take up the remaining space.

Thoughts anyone?

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Bushnell Voyager 6" Dob
13" Dob (Under Construction)
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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: DSalters]
      #3425310 - 11/02/09 11:13 AM

I went this this exact process. had to cut thin plastic strips to use as washers. With 2 washers, finally got it nice and tight and had enough room for my aluminum focus knob. But I decided against it. I may go back to it, but I took it off.

Adding a 2" diagonal with an extension on the back end of a C5, because this is a movable mirror scope, and because of the very long added length behind the back plate (180mm thru extension tube, 2" Astrotech SCT diagonal and finally to the field stop), makes the scope close to F=1600. So the scope is operating at near f/12.5


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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: EdZ]
      #3425337 - 11/02/09 11:32 AM

Hi Ed,

Glad to see you understood my struggle. What ended up being your solution in the end? (Use a 2" back with a regular 2" diagonal or just go back to 1.25"). I'm determined not to go back to 1.25" and stick with 2"...perhaps there's a diagonal that doesn't get in the way of the knob??? That would be the ultimate solution!

With what you are saying in mind, I suppose that means that wiht each different eyepiece used, the scope's focal length is changing ever so slightly since the primary moves?

I see why you have vignetting even with 1.25" eyepieces. It does make sense that the light cone would be cut off by the tube on the inside.

Does anyone know of an SCT 2" diagonal that does not get in the way of the focusing knob?

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Celestron C5
Bushnell Voyager 6" Dob
13" Dob (Under Construction)
EPs: Baader Hyperions and TMB Planetaries

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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? new [Re: DSalters]
      #3425631 - 11/02/09 02:35 PM

the spacer I have, don't know where I got it years ago, has a captive slip-sleeve with female threads to attcah to the backplate. I needed to put 1 layer (approx 1/16th) plastic washer in there, and at the other end, to attach the 2" SCT diagonal, I had to put 2 layers of plastic washer. I had the bottom of the diagonal facing the focus knob, and it was all clear, but my extension tube is about 1.5" long. That extension from Scope-Stuff looks to be maybe only 1/2" long and may not be sufficient for the bottom of the diagonal to get out beyond the focus knob.

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I suppose that means that wiht each different eyepiece used, the scope's focal length is changing ever so slightly since the primary moves?




That is correct, and that is the case with any and all movable mirror scopes.

The C5, with the standard 1.25" visual back and a standard 1.25" mirror diagonal, in general, is operating at anywhere from about F=1330mm to 1380mm.

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Re: Which C5 Extension Needed? [Re: EdZ]
      #3463729 - 11/23/09 11:28 AM

Revisiting this subject. last we spoke I said, I tried this but took mine off the C5. When looking back over my data that led to my decision to take it off, I found an error. So I retested this arrangement this weekend.

What I was concerned about is, am I able to see the entire field of view in every eyepiece that I want to use? There may be some slight darkening at the edges to to lack of full illimination, but where I come from, that's not a deal breaker.

Here's what I did.

Picked 4 eyepieces a 7.5, 12.5, 18 and 24mm. Set up a meter stick about 125 feet away. Using the eyepieces in a TV85 refractor of known focal length, recorded the extent of visible field (on the meter stic, measured in mm) for each eyepiece. OK so far easy enough, but why do this. Two reasons, you'll see.

Next I brought out my C5 with the standard 1.25" diagonal. ran all 4 eyepieces through the C5/1.25"diag and recorded the extent of fov again.

I then compared the reading for each eyepiece in the refractor to the reading in the C5. Got near exactly the same ratio of drop in fov for all 4 eyepieces. Good, consistent data for 4 eyepieces. So what that shows so far is only one thing changed, the POWER. And because power changed, all 4 eyepieces have exactly the same ratio reduction in the fov. Variances here were on the order of 0% to 1%.

Step 3 - I changed out the diagonal on the C5. I put on my 1.5" extension and my Astrotech 2" SCT diagonal. Ran all 4 eyepieces thru this set up and again, with less than 1.5% variance, I got all 4 eyepieces to drop by near exactly the same ratio of decreased fov. Good, consistency again. This proves once again, the only thing that changed is power.

So what did I find:

Assuming that my TV85 refractor is exactly F=600mm, then:

my C5 with a standard visual back and a 1.25" TV dielectic diagonal operates at a focal length of F=1367mm.

my C5 with a 1.5" long extension and a 2" Astrotech dielectric diagonal operates at a focal length of F=1540mm.

Next I pulled out two wide field 2" eyepieces. Having proved the F=1540 of this arrangement, these I compared by calculating the expected fov, based on measured field stop diameter, a valid and fairly accurate method. I came within 1% of expected fov when using a 27mm Panoptic and about 1.5%-2% for a 40mm TMB Paragon. The actual Tfov for each of these eyepieces worked backwards gave an effective Afov of 64 for the Pan and 66 for the TMB. BTW, the fov in the TMB was just wider than the meter stick, so I had to estimate it at 1100mm, perhaps accounting for a portion of the very slightly larger error.

This means there was no fov cut by vignette in the large 2" eyepieces. I didn't really check for light fall off, only for Tfov. So, while I might expect some light fall-off due to less than full illumination, there appears to be NO complete cutoff of fov.

I'm going to try this out for a few months. F is longer, but that's OK, I have lots of decent/very good eyepieces to get the powers I want. And I'll get longer eye relief from some of my longer eyepieces. The benefits are, I also have four 2" eyepieces that I can now use, AND this diagonal and twisted screw locked arrangement will be far more stable to hold my denkmeier binoviewer. Other than the longer than specified F, I don't see any disadvantages, and even that is pretty minor since this is not really my wide-field scope.

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