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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3499691 - 12/13/09 06:10 PM
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See "The Best of Amateur Telescope Making Journal", edited by William J. Cook, two volumes
also see
"Collimators and Collimation" Popular Optics Library, Edmund Scientific.
also see
"Military Spec Handbook 141", see Links to Web at top of this forum for link to online printed version.
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3499702 - 12/13/09 06:17 PM
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Given the quoted most recent price of the model under discussion I think it's quite safe to say that the purchase of any specialised equipment required to carry out TRUE COLLIMATION is likely to set one back considerably more !
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3499914 - 12/13/09 08:19 PM
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Rich and Ed - thanks for the info. Much appreciated. 
Kenny - that's what I was worried about.
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3500203 - 12/13/09 11:02 PM
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Hey guys:
I have just gone through over 14,000 files looking for my point by point description of doing true collimation, but I can't find it. If some kind person--much smarting than me--could look back into our archives and bring it forward, methinks many people would appreciate it. I KNOW I would . . . cause I would snag that sucker and SAVE it!
Anyone could do it; especially those with names featuring such NOBLE letters as E and D and Z!!!
Cheers,
Bill
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3500224 - 12/13/09 11:13 PM
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Bill - how long ago did you do it? You can search by user name and limit the timeframe in the Search function. Also depends on whether it's in the "Active" forums or the now "Archived" ones.
I'd do it, but I don't know what keywords would work besides "collimate" and "collimation"!!
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
[Re: BillC]
#3500288 - 12/14/09 12:05 AM
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Hey guys:
I have just gone through over 14,000 files looking for my point by point description of doing true collimation, but I can't find it. If some kind person--much smarting than me--could look back into our archives and bring it forward, methinks many people would appreciate it. I KNOW I would . . . cause I would snag that sucker and SAVE it!
Anyone could do it; especially those with names featuring such NOBLE letters as E and D and Z!!!
Cheers,
Bill
Here ya go Bill! 
LINK
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
[Re: 94bamf]
#3500394 - 12/14/09 02:04 AM
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I just re-read the link cited above. Bill gave some good information, but not a way to get all three axes parallel. We went through this topic repeatedly. If he did not discuss suitable methods elsewhere, other than to cite the Navy method, I certainly did , several times.
I did so,in some detail, in the above linked thread. In general, one needs a direct or indirect method to determine the intersection of the hinge axis on a real or artificial distant target. Then, one adjusts one barrel to make its optical axis point to the same position on the target. The optical axis of the second barrel is next adjusted to point to that position on the target. It is often easier to perform this last step without any direct reference to the hinge, because that work was done in the adjustment of the first barrel.
Of course, the Devil is in the details, and there must be many ways to perform this work. With some experience with one method, one can devise other methods.
I recall the terminology I chose , "Wiggle Window", ff. the Fuji Photo Optical UBMM, being the butt of some humor. But did any of those responsible actually try the method? There now seems to be renewed interest in methods for 3-axis mutual parallelism .
I am certain that Bill knew how to do at least the Navy 3-axis parallelism method, and presumably the same thing with the UBMM they had. Perhaps he gave a comprehensive explanation elsewhere, but if so, I do not recall it. Perhaps he learned some Army methods while at Ft. Sill. But they probably just throw away , rather than repair, these days.
EdZ.: The references you cite, above, do not explicitly give a way to mutually parallelize all three axes, other than the repeat of the Navy method, in the first reference. But what beginner has that Navy hardware? I suggest substitutes in my contribution to the thread in the link above, and in other contributions . I recall buying the Edmund book many years ago, and being disappointed. The book by Truman Henson(not cited) also fails to give a 3-axis parallelism method. Conspicuous by its absence in your list is the chapter by G. Dallas Hanna in the ATM I,II, III series edited by Ingalls for Scientific American, and subsequently re-organized and re-published by Willmann-Bell. Though basically an explanation of the Navy method, he discusses reflective target collimators. As the cited Edmund book points out, any telescope, reversed, with an illuminated target in its focal plane, simulates an infinity target.
I do not recall any discussion, certainly no detailed, explicit instruction , about collimating binoculars, in Mil Handbook 141.
I have devised a few laser schemes to try, and have the hardware, but have not yet assembled them. Perhaps LED flashlights may be applicable to the problem, but nothing has come to mind yet, other than the obvious application of them as focal plane target illuminators in target collimators (reversed telescopes).
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
[Re: 94bamf]
#3502460 - 12/15/09 09:17 AM
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Hey guys:
I have just gone through over 14,000 files looking for my point by point description of doing true collimation, but I can't find it. If some kind person--much smarting than me--could look back into our archives and bring it forward, methinks many people would appreciate it. I KNOW I would . . . cause I would snag that sucker and SAVE it!
Anyone could do it; especially those with names featuring such NOBLE letters as E and D and Z!!!
Cheers,
Bill
Here ya go Bill! 
LINK
Ken
Well, I posted the wrong reply to the wrong person. Sorry!
Last night, I re-wrote my collimation article and should have it posted tonight.
Cheers,
Bill
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3502464 - 12/15/09 09:18 AM
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"Hi 94bamf: I thank you for the effort; but, it's the wrong one. It has several points--all numbered and talks about "The swinging barrel." It's basically the Navy "tail-of-the-arc" method, without all the boiler plate. Just bam, bam, bam. It does not try to teach optics; just how to COLLIMATE properly. I would be around more today, but I have to drive the 80 miles back to Ft. Lewis in my little truck, with my 4-year old Grandaughter, without getting us icebound.
I'm on blood thinner . . . much more of this global warming and no one will find me till spring!!!
Cheers,
Bill
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
[Re: BillC]
#3502917 - 12/15/09 01:34 PM
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"Hi 94bamf: I thank you for the effort; but, it's the wrong one. It has several points--all numbered and talks about "The swinging barrel." It's basically the Navy "tail-of-the-arc" method, without all the boiler plate. Just bam, bam, bam. It does not try to teach optics; just how to COLLIMATE properly. I would be around more today, but I have to drive the 80 miles back to Ft. Lewis in my little truck, with my 4-year old dreandaughter, without getting us icebound.
I'm on blood thinner . . . much more of this global warming and no one will find me till spring!!!
Cheers,
Bill
I was wondering if I found the right one, reading your post again after I posted that link, it sounded like you were talking about a technical how to post, not an optical explanation post, like the one I found. I searched a bunch of your posts myself, but couldn't find it either. I look forward to reading your new one though.. 
Ken
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3506687 - 12/17/09 01:16 PM Attachment (87 downloads)
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Nice price guy's ...   
Years ago I bought mine from Adorama.com for $69 ... I still enjoy my 15x70 Sky Masters plus the V8...
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3508521 - 12/18/09 11:39 AM
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Amazon has these for $49.99 with free shipping. Certainly the best deal I have seen on these yet. I like mine, almost thinking about buying another pair for this price.
Ken
Thank you Ken for turning me on to this deal. Mine had good collimation right out of the box.
FYI, when I logged into Amazon to write a review, Amazon was out of stock and the $49 free shipping was not available at this time.
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3508856 - 12/18/09 02:51 PM
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Thanx Ken, I did manage to get the free shipping. CS
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3508878 - 12/18/09 03:09 PM
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Hey Jonathan,
I see you may be the only CNer with both the Canon 15X50 IS and the Minox 15X58 ED BR. I would be very interested if you can start a new thread and comment about the two for both day and night viewing. Especially CA or lack of for terrestrial use.
For the purpose of comparison we can leave out the IS feature. Just the optics. I have extensive experience with the 18X IS and I know it works.
Now just wondering, with two near premium 15X binos in your collection why would you be interested in another low cost 15X70? Can you see dimmer stars with 70 mm vs. Minox 58 mm ED?
Have you compared other 15X binos besides the three?
ERik D
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3508882 - 12/18/09 03:13 PM
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... Amazon was out of stock and the $49 free shipping was not available at this time.
Amazon is out of stock, but you can still order one at $49.99 with free shipping (as I just did). Look in the "More buying choices" box on Amazon's product page.
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3509034 - 12/18/09 04:57 PM
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I am waiting on the delevery of the Celestron Skymaster 15X70 Binos. I have just returned to CN because of travel and other matters. I do plan on giving a short review and comparison of the Canon 15X50 IS and the Minox 15X58 BR ED. I will comment now that the resolution (and sharpness) of both binos are almost identical on axis (around 5 arcseconds). The Minox has a little more field curvature at the edge of the field. The Minox also has slightly more CA than the Canons in daytime use, niether show CA on bright objects at night like Luna, Jupiter, or Venus. The Minox does go deeper than the Canons, but I will go into more detail in another thread when I have more time to evaluate both binos.
CS
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3509946 - 12/19/09 06:48 AM
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One of the Amazon reviewers, Penumbra, made an interesting suggestion about improving the tripod adapter:
"Past reviews have pretty much summed it all up, but I wanted to offer some helpful advice to those who are having difficulties with the tripod adapter. First of all the outlet to screw in the adapter to the binoculars s under the screw off cap in front on the binoculars. When using the binoculars and tripod adapter on a tripod out of box, you may find that the adapter bends, making the binocular view swing left to right. To remedy this, buy some epoxy for plastic at your local hardware store, the good kind is the kind with two siringes in one, and put the glue into the open space on both sides of the adapter. Glue one side at a time, mix the glue in the space, and let it dry solid. This should make the adapter more solid, and your viewing more stable! =)"
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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I got my Skymaters for $49.99 and they are well collimated, very sharp on axis and show only mild CA during the day. I have not had achance to use them at night yet. I did the quick apperature test and got 64mm.
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3520611 - 12/25/09 12:42 AM
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I have to say I was so impressed with the first pair I bought that I quickly bought another one for a gift. Viewing the moon there was just a hint of a green tinge. Edge Sharpness was remarkably good - I've seen binoculars at 10x the price with poorer edge sharpness. The plastic tripod adapter is pretty worthless - spend the money and buy a good, rigid metal one if you plan to use it on a tripod.
All in all, I would have to say this one of the best binocular values I've ever seen. My second pair was a good match for the first pair although a friend of mine said his pair was showing some pretty noticeable CA (we're going to compare them side by side to see if he just had a bad pair or his criteria were a lot stricter...).
Edited by CESDewar (12/25/09 12:43 AM)
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Re: Super deal right now on Celestron 15x70 bins..
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#3521525 - 12/25/09 07:21 PM
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Just took mine out of the box.Two words....perfectly collimated.
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