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Scott99
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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: mariobmd]
      #3589810 - 01/28/10 04:22 PM

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Hi Scott,

For ease of set up and polar alignment, go for an EM200. For more functionality without a computer, go for a Mach1.
Both mounts tracks well. Both are good for imaging. I regret selling my EM200 since this would complement my AP1200.

Regards,




Am I confused? All AP mounts have had (removeable) polar alignment scopes since the mid 90's. polar alignment is very easy with the scope.

With the Mach1 you don't even need it for visual. I usually leave it at home and just look through the peephole in the mount, if you center Polaris in the peephole it will track fine for visual use.

What AP mounts do not have is software that will compensate for poor polar alignment and make corrections for it.


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Scott99]
      #3590124 - 01/28/10 07:17 PM

I currently own both a Tak EM-400 and an AP 1200. There is no comparison in polar alignment speed between the two.

Your needs for precision may be different than other folks. I have never, not polar aligned a well as I can. The Tak is much faster and more better for the time spent


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Scott99
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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Jaxdialation]
      #3592335 - 01/29/10 08:24 PM

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I currently own both a Tak EM-400 and an AP 1200. There is no comparison in polar alignment speed between the two.

Your needs for precision may be different than other folks. I have never, not polar aligned a well as I can. The Tak is much faster and more better for the time spent




So it's faster to polar align the Tak mount? What makes it faster? just curious, are there fine adjustments, or the scope works better???


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Scott99]
      #3593122 - 01/30/10 10:53 AM

The tak polar scope is precisely marked for the positioning of Polaris at the location, day and time of alignment. Very little margin for error. Setting it up for your location date and time takes less than a minute, then you are left with only getting the Polaris centered in the correct spot. For me, this is typically less than a minute.

The benefit is a relatively high degree of precision in very little time. Call it user friendly. I can run 15 minute guided exposures doing only this quick process. If I am doing 30 minute exposures I run PAM to really dial it in.


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Jaxdialation]
      #3593687 - 01/30/10 03:13 PM

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The tak polar scope is precisely marked for the positioning of Polaris at the location, day and time of alignment. Very little margin for error. Setting it up for your location date and time takes less than a minute, then you are left with only getting the Polaris centered in the correct spot. For me, this is typically less than a minute.

The benefit is a relatively high degree of precision in very little time. Call it user friendly. I can run 15 minute guided exposures doing only this quick process. If I am doing 30 minute exposures I run PAM to really dial it in.




so it's got a better polar scope than the AP Pasill, it has some alignment marks but sounds like Tak's marking system is better?


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Scott99]
      #3593749 - 01/30/10 03:47 PM

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so it's got a better polar scope than the AP Pasill, it has some alignment marks but sounds like Tak's marking system is better?




I'll have to check one of those out. My A-P Pasill has a Losmandy reticle and it takes less than a minute to rotate the scope to match the sky, put Polaris in the proper spot, and enjoy.

With luck, I'll be able to see one at NEAF.

Cheers,

Ron


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: RAKing]
      #3593788 - 01/30/10 04:14 PM

I'm sure there are plenty of folks who can align very well with the AP polar scopes. I've never used the AP/Losmandy one but have used other ones that rely on the user lining up the constellations and there is an element of "ballparking" it involved which makes it a little less precise than the Tak system which allows you to dial in the hour and exact time. Also, the reticles being out of alignment or even the polar scope itself being out of alignment with the polar shaft can cause issues. The Tak scope is integrated into the mount and perfectly aligned with the axis of the mount out of the box (or, at least mine was and has remained that way after a year).

Edited by Tim C (01/30/10 04:15 PM)


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Tim C]
      #3593800 - 01/30/10 04:18 PM

Dunno about the AP, but the Tak does not need the tripod to be leveled, this definitely saves some time when setting up.

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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: johnnyha]
      #3594107 - 01/30/10 06:33 PM

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Dunno about the AP, but the Tak does not need the tripod to be leveled, this definitely saves some time when setting up.




The AP doesn't need to be leveled, either.

I guess we are all just going to enjoy our systems as they are. To each his (or her) own.

Ron


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Tim C
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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: RAKing]
      #3594133 - 01/30/10 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Dunno about the AP, but the Tak does not need the tripod to be leveled, this definitely saves some time when setting up.




The AP doesn't need to be leveled, either.

I guess we are all just going to enjoy our systems as they are. To each his (or her) own.

Ron




Yep, leveling isn't required for any GEM... polar aligned is polar aligned. Leveling helps when drift aligning though so you aren't moving the mount in azimuth when you're attempting to adjust altitude (and vice versa).


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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: RAKing]
      #3594503 - 01/30/10 10:08 PM

That's true, for some reason Tak enthusiasts think the level thing is unusual.

I love my AP Mount. It is a engineering marvel. Hopefully some day I will have a permanent set-up. If so, the
AP will be my only mount.


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The AP doesn't need to be leveled, either.

I guess we are all just going to enjoy our systems as they are. To each his (or her) own.

Ron




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Mike Clemens
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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma new [Re: Jaxdialation]
      #3594576 - 01/30/10 10:57 PM

I use the AP polar scope. (Losmandy) it makes me want to claw my eyes out. Ditched it completely for PemPro. My friend uses a Tak scope and he always smiles after a quick alignment.

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Scott99
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Re: AP Mach1 GTO vs. Tak EM200 Temma [Re: Mike Clemens]
      #3598026 - 02/01/10 03:38 PM

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I use the AP polar scope. (Losmandy) it makes me want to claw my eyes out. Ditched it completely for PemPro. My friend uses a Tak scope and he always smiles after a quick alignment.




guess I'll stick with the peep-hole! You can also do 2-star alignments pretty quickly, 2 or 3 will get you well-aligned.


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