Tim A.
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4789595 - 09/05/11 12:09 AM
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I caught it easily in bright twilight on Saturday night from a very dark (21.85) site in northern Colorado at 9800' elevation, in my 12.5" Dob. M101 itself was a faint smudge of light against a still pretty bright sky.
But those two flanking stars make it unmistakable. Look for them, and you're on it!
Spectacular sight indeed, and worth the 3 hour drive to that site. A friend had his 25" Obsession out there also, and the SN was nearly blinding. Well, I'm going hyperbolic, of course; Jupiter, now, that's blinding in a 25"!
This SN is by far the best I've seen in my relatively short (6 yr.) observing career.
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wfj
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
[Re: Tim A.]
#4789650 - 09/05/11 12:45 AM
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Conditions have been poor where I've observed - its difficult to make out M101 in a 4 inch refractor. However, its worth the trouble to watch this SN grow in brightness every evening.
No matter the conditions, I'm always struck by how ... big ... M101 is ... in the sky. Even in binos.
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canukLX90
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4789730 - 09/05/11 02:06 AM Attachment (90 downloads)
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Attached is an image that I took last night. The SN is certainly very bright. It will be most interesting to see what it tops out at.
PJ
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ClusterNut
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4790230 - 09/05/11 11:26 AM
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As per Canuk's great image, it now looks to be the brightest star in the immediate M101 area. I think it's fair to say that the bright star I saw there was the SN and not one of the dimmer stars to either side. I'm thrilled to have found it - I've been struggling with it for a week!
Thanks to all for the great images and advice. To nail this down I've used your images, AAVSO's reference charts, photometric data, and a whole lot of geometry to line up my sketches with existing data.
I've been pursuing astronomy for less than a year, and this is easily the coolest and most difficult target I've found. It's definitely made me a more accurate sketcher, and better at using the sketches I make.
I can't believe that two weeks ago, I couldn't even find M101...
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jrbarnett
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4790269 - 09/05/11 11:45 AM
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Great videos, TF.
All of 'em.
Regards,
Jim
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nytecam
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4790897 - 09/05/11 05:26 PM Attachment (50 downloads)
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My pic thro thin cloud shows SN even brighter
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Maverick 6
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4791133 - 09/05/11 07:33 PM
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Confirmed yesterday, observing from a city, with the constellation not far of the horizon and a crescent moon ('nuff said). M101 was not visible; only a star that, according to Cd should not be there. Checking and re-checking the field -and the distances between the stars- with the help of the computer shows it must be the supernova; photos seem to indicate the same thing.
Here's again my first observation, also with a 4" lens:
I think I saw it yesterday [saturday]. Moon was, as you know, crescent and to make matters worse Ursa Major was quite low (I'm talking about a Bortle 5-6 sky), so M101 was invisible or nearly so; at most, I think I was able to see M101's core, but quite faintly and perhaps it was just an illusion. Anyway, had to make things using field stars as guides. Saw a 10th magnitude star to the SE of where M101 should be... and other whose magnitude should be between 10 and 11 much closer to where the galaxy should be that I guess should be the supernova. A check of CdC seems to confirm it as the brightest stars within M101's disk have 12th magnitude and none of them was spotted. BTW, 15 years (and increasing) waiting to see a supernova in the Andromeda or Triangulum galaxies.
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Matt2003
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4791205 - 09/05/11 08:00 PM
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That is how I found it Maverick. A fairly bright star where there shouldn't be one. At 10. something, it should be visble even now with the first quarter moon up. I hope it doesn't fade as fast as it has brightened! That would be a tragedy. Clear Skies, Matt
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MtnGoat
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4791746 - 09/06/11 01:07 AM
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This thing is awesome! I just had the first look in about five days, moon is up but the haze of the last few weeks is gone. I can easily see it in the 20x80s.
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morceli
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4792573 - 09/06/11 01:36 PM
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I managed to see it Saturday night from the orange zone I live in. M101 wasn't visible, but I used the AAVSO chart to clearly identify it. This is my 4th supernova for the year, so I was quite pleased to see it.
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blb
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4792627 - 09/06/11 02:00 PM
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Way to go Mike. Good job finding it with binoculars. I would love to see it with my 10x50's whenever the clouds leave and I have some clear sky.
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Astrojensen
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
[Re: blb]
#4792760 - 09/06/11 03:23 PM
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I was able to see the SN in M101 this past Saturday with my 6" f/8 achromat and a 40mm Kellner, giving 30x. It was extremely bright and easy to see, even through thin clouds that dimmed M101 to invisibility. Conditions were poor, with many drifting clouds and haze. It was around midnight, so M101 was low to the NW. I did try to observe it with 8x40 binoculars and the 50mm finder, equipped with a 12.5mm ortho, giving 16x, but was unsuccessful in both instruments. The conditions were too poor.
We are fortunate enough that M101 is circumpolar from here, so a SN in this galaxy is always observable, year-round.
Clear skies! Thomas, Denmark
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blb
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4792828 - 09/06/11 04:06 PM
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I am at 36 degrees north latitude so M101 just skims the horizon as it goes under the north pole. It is really almost to low to view an hour or two after sunset now. Given some clear weather though, I can still view the SN. Let's pray for some clear skies soon.
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JakeSaloranta
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Reged: 09/18/08
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4792835 - 09/06/11 04:11 PM
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I logged this supernova just a few minutes ago. The conditions were very foggy, temperature 51.8F and humidity 96%, NELM ~5.5 (SQM-L 19.06). I could only see the brighter core-section of M101. The supernova was very bright and I mistook it as a star at first. I'd say it is very close to 10th magnitude.
/Jake
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DarkSkys
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4793521 - 09/06/11 10:34 PM
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Well, I tired last night, probably saw it but couldent confirm. Dang moon. Solid blue boxes, and the moon is big and bright, gahhhh, <a href=http://cleardarksky.com/c/YakimaWAkey.html>
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jchaller
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4793741 - 09/07/11 01:32 AM
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I enjoy seeing the images folks. I can't view this object as my neighbors tree is in the way. Am thinking about removing the tree - he might not notice.
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Matt2003
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4795240 - 09/07/11 08:22 PM
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Jim,
You cannot move your scope to another location? Is it in a fixed location? I know an 11 inch scope is pretty heavy, but I'm not sure how much.. Might be time to consider a smaller Grab & Go scope!
Clear skies, Matt
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jchaller
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4795543 - 09/07/11 11:10 PM
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I do have a 6se as a grab and go, and might try this weekend from another location - one with darker skys as well.
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MtnGoat
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
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#4795714 - 09/08/11 02:25 AM
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given what I saw, a light haze or slight LP shouldn't make it tough with a 6". It will make it tougher to find because M101 will pretty much vanish, but it's bright enough that if you are looking in the right spot you'll easily see it anyway.
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MikeBOKC
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Re: Type Ia SN in Messier 101 ?
[Re: MtnGoat]
#4795956 - 09/08/11 08:38 AM
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Saw it clearly Friday night under not so great seeing conditions in my CPC1100 . . . no galaxy evident, but the SN was there. The lore is correct . . . a big SN can really outshine the entire galaxy! (yes I know it helps being a point object versus a widely diffused one . . .)
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