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tomo
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Dome automation hardware
      #4905087 - 11/08/11 07:06 PM

Hi Gang,

I hav a Sirius 2.3m home dome in my back garden that now winter is closing in I'd like to automate. I'm thinking of using Maxdome II since I like MaximDL but I've realized I will need all the hardware. I have no idea where to get this (and neither do Diffraction Ltd).

Does anyone know of either a supplier of this kit or someone who will do the installation? I'm also open to alternatives to Maxdome, any advice?

Thanks a lot.


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rodney
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: tomo]
      #4905098 - 11/08/11 07:10 PM

Why not contact Sirius and see what they recommend? Also, you might want to reachout to Stan at Foster Systems. Or Jerry at Technical Innovations.

Clear skies,


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JAT Observatory
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: tomo]
      #4906485 - 11/09/11 12:45 PM

Siruis has all the parts you need. Brackets, switches motors, flat gear etc. There are a couple of mods I made to my dome. I put extra wheels on my dome, and I moved the rotation sensor from the motor shaft to the gear on the motor transmission.

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tomo
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #4910111 - 11/11/11 10:12 AM

I've been in touch with Sirius and they are working on a quote for me. (I wish the US$ dollar was stronger against the AUS$.)

Are there any other aftermarket alternatives?

Tommy


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Chris EricksonModerator
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: tomo]
      #4911243 - 11/11/11 11:35 PM

Quote:

I've been in touch with Sirius and they are working on a quote for me. (I wish the US$ dollar was stronger against the AUS$.)

Are there any other aftermarket alternatives?

Tommy




You could always get your own reversible AC or DC gearhead motors from eBay and build your own mounting brackets and such. You might save some money but unless you are pretty-good at projects like this, you might be farther-ahead to just buy the stuff that is specifically-tailored to your observatory.

Whatever way you go, I would like to suggest that you consider installing soft start modules on your dome and shutter motors. Everything lasts a lot longer when the motors start up gently and ramp up to speed. Hard-current starts are hard on brackets & fasteners, can cause stress fractures in dome skins and are harder on electronic parts as well. They are a cheap investment that pay for themselves over time.

For AC motors I like the Schneider Electric/Telemechanique soft start modules.

For DC motors I like the 50A soft-start/PWM-speed-controller from Canakit.com


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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: tomo]
      #4911300 - 11/12/11 12:33 AM

Nothing that's not DIY. The nice thing about the Sirius design is the dome is driven by a flat gear on the dome. I think you are going to find the most expensive part of the automation is the MaxDome-II.

When I purchased my Sirius dome there was no automated control for the shutters so I did a DIY system on their motors.
http://jatobservatory.org/WirelessShutters.html

I would also recommend doing the rotation sensor relocation mod. I alluded to earlier. I have had issues with the original sensor location a couple of time. I'll try to post so pictures tomorrow.


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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #4911320 - 11/12/11 12:59 AM

Quote:

Nothing that's not DIY. The nice thing about the Sirius design is the dome is driven by a flat gear on the dome. I think you are going to find the most expensive part of the automation is the MaxDome-II.

When I purchased my Sirius dome there was no automated control for the shutters so I did a DIY system on their motors.
http://jatobservatory.org/WirelessShutters.html

I would also recommend doing the rotation sensor relocation mod. I alluded to earlier. I have had issues with the original sensor location a couple of time. I'll try to post so pictures tomorrow.




Nice job and writeup!


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StarmanDan
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: Chris Erickson]
      #4911799 - 11/12/11 11:11 AM

I have a Sirius 2.3M dome and plan to use this:

http://www.dppobservatory.net/DomeAutomation/DomeDriver.php


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JAT Observatory
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: StarmanDan]
      #4911937 - 11/12/11 12:40 PM

Dan,
Before I realized my most recent dome rotation issue was a result of a sensor problem I built one of those. The Velleman kit was easy to assemble. Since my 13 year son knows how to solder I let him build it. The hardest part was the interface between the Velleman and Sirius controller.



The interface board I built is on the top in the photo above.
For the sensors I used round Neodymium magnets purchased from a local craft store. They are very strong and small but will reliable trigger the sensor. The only problem I had was getting the POTH ASCOM software interface to reliability position the dome. After I fixed the Sirius / MaxDome sensor I ended up removing LesveDome controller. I will say the LesveDome software is quite nice.


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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: Chris Erickson]
      #4911950 - 11/12/11 12:44 PM

Quote:



Nice job and writeup!




Thanks Chris. Looking back I don't know where I found the time to do that automation.


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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #4912071 - 11/12/11 01:44 PM

Ok yesterday I said I would post some pictures of the dome rotation sensor relocation for my Sirius dome. I hope that Tomo will forgive me my posting all this to his thread.

First I will give a little background. The Sirius dome rotation is done by a 24 volt gear motor (running at 12 volts. This motors are commonly used as window motors for cars. Sirius uses a righthand side motor) that drives a flat gear attached to the dome. The flat gear can be seen at the top of the image. (Note the gears). I also strongly recommend you cut a hole in the dome lip as shown in the picture. This will allow you the tighten the dome wheels in the future without having the lift the dome off the walls in order to get to the screw on the wheels. I cut my hole near the door area. When the dome is put back together the hole is covered my the black retaining piece so it's not seen anyway.



The next picture shows my spare rotation motor. Notice the white area on the shaft above the gear. The other half is black (not shown). This will present a while/black pattern to the sensor so the controller can count the motor revolutions in order to keep track of the dome's position.

If this area is not painted or taped correctly or the sensor is misaligned so it doesn't see the alternating white/black sequence the dome will not operate correctly. The symptoms range from improper and inconsistent dome positioning to the dome stalling during manual or computer controlled rotation.



The factory installed location of the sensor is behind the motor box between the dome wall under the gear. This location makes it vary difficult to service the sensor (realign, clean grease off of it, etc.) I have had to realign my sensor a couple times as it is only held in the stock location by a single screw. Over time the vibration of the dome rotation can cause the sensor to slip and point downward, away from the white/black target on the motor shaft.

To correct this problem I moved the sensor from behind the motor box to inside the motor box. The problem here is there is no exposed area on the motor shaft to paint a white/black target. After I built the LesveDome controller I learned a few things from that design. That design uses magnets on the drive reduction gear. So I removed the plate that covers the reduction gear and made a new cover out of cardboard.

While the cover was off I painted an area on the white plastic reduction gear black. This will present the required while/black pattern to the sensor. I cut a hole in the cover over the gear area. I then covered the cardboard with duct tape to protect it. The sensor was then mounted to one of the gear cover attachment screws on the motor via a small "L" bracket purchased from the local hardware store. Since the reduction gear is attached to the other end of the gear shaft that had the original white/black target the number of revolutions per motor turns didn't change. My dome sees 228 white/black patterns per one full revolution of the dome.



When the motor box cover is put on the sensor is shielded from stray light that might interfere with the white/black pattern. This picture is a wider view of the motor inside the factory motor box.



The last picture is just the reduction gear cover used as a template for the replacement cardboard cover.




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gregj888
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Re: Dome automation hardware new [Re: JAT Observatory]
      #4914038 - 11/13/11 03:21 PM

Tomo,

While not specifically for the Siruis and clearly home brew, there are several Yahoo groups dedicated to observatory automation. They have full descriptions of the hardware, controls and downloadable software.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Observatories/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Open_Observatory_Control_System
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sgl_observatory_automation

There are archive articles here and on the ATM forum that may also be of interest.

There are also a lot of roll-your-own systems done with small controller board (check the DIY Robot controllers) and motors of all sorts (including Harbor Freight and garage door openers). Some of these are for domes, some for ROR-O. Google will get you going.

If nothing else, there's some good reading.


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