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clintwhitman
Caveman

Reged: 01/01/07

Loc: CALI SoEasyACavemanCanSlewIt

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: Bryguy]
#4913776 - 11/13/11 12:56 PM Attachment (37 downloads)

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Did AP ever make a 9-incher?

One, they are posting about it in the classic telescope forum. It is the Pearl.

I believe there are two, maybe three 10 inchers. I think one of the 10 inch refractors is folded.

B.

Roland told me he made two 9" oil spaced triplets. One is a F14.7 or so. And the other is my 1984 9" F10.6 and was the only one made from Nasa Glass. Roland Called it the "Onesy". It is in a class all by itself. It is the only one like it. The views are incredible. I have had Saturn at close to 700Xs and it seems to only be limited by the seeing.
Lets See, if you offered me $35k Cash for it right now ???? What would I say?????

Heck no!!

As far as the cost of some of these telescopes it is all relative. To some folks $35k is like me buying my wife dinner. I have not used the 8"EDF but a friend has one of Rolands 7" EDTs and I can say it is an incredible telescope. I sure hope one of my friends hits the loto and buys the thing, so I cant get a look through it!!!

(lint (aveman Whitman

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jmiele
Patron Saint?

Reged: 12/04/10

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: clintwhitman]
#4913866 - 11/13/11 01:39 PM

Ok Clint....lets have it..

How much for me to have that scope and mount? Come on, everything has it's price....

Joe

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Nimbus42
member

Reged: 11/11/11

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: jmiele]
#4913877 - 11/13/11 01:45 PM

AP is the new Zeiss where collectors are concerned. Wonder what's more expensive, an APQ150 or this one?

What is the "current" price for the AP-Mak btw??

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Mark9473
Postmaster

Reged: 07/21/05

Loc: 51°N 4°E

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: WarrenS]
#4914130 - 11/13/11 04:15 PM

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there's a listing for a 7" AP refractor for $35,000! $35,000 buys a BMW, maybe a nice condo in todays real estate market, maybe a 24" RC complete with observatory and a top of the line CCD camera! Am I missing something or this ludicrous? I realize it's an Astro Physics, but it's still a 7" telescope.

For more or less the same amount of money, APM offers a used Zeiss 110 mm refractor. To be fair, that does include the mount and pier. Perhaps the 7" AP isn't a bad deal in comparison.

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Stellarfire
Pooh-Bah

Reged: 07/10/11

Loc: Switzerland

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: t.r.]
#4914182 - 11/13/11 04:48 PM

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The TEC 180 for $19K is where I'd put my money.

Amen to that!

Stephan

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ValeryD
Vendor (Aries)

Reged: 11/26/05

Loc: Kherson, Ukraine.

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: WarrenS]
#4914214 - 11/13/11 05:15 PM

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I'm not in the market for anything costing more than a few hundred bucks right now but I still peruse the refractor section of Amart every now and then. Much to my astonishment there's a listing for a 7" AP refractor for $35,000! $35,000 buys a BMW, maybe a nice condo in todays real estate market, maybe a 24" RC complete with observatory and a top of the line CCD camera!

24"RC??? He he! Well said!

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dothead
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 08/13/08

Loc: Heidelberg, Germany

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: jrbarnett]
#4914419 - 11/13/11 07:48 PM

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The 12" f/12 APM/LZOS triplet is 295,000 Euros

You made a mistake. The 12" f/12 APM LZOS is 145,000 EUROS.

295,000 EUROS is the cost for the 14" f/12 APM LZOS.

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jrbarnett
Eyepiece Hooligan

Reged: 02/28/06

Loc: Petaluma, CA

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: dothead]
#4914637 - 11/13/11 10:07 PM

Oh my! I'll order right away then!

- Jim

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ValeryD
Vendor (Aries)

Reged: 11/26/05

Loc: Kherson, Ukraine.

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: jrbarnett]
#4914861 - 11/14/11 01:09 AM

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Oh my! I'll order right away then!

- Jim

Interesting, what should 10" and 12" F/10-12 APO doublets cost that peoples will really buy them?

Valery.

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spacedoutbob
member

Reged: 03/26/08

Loc: California

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: ValeryD]
#4914912 - 11/14/11 02:57 AM

These are very nice toys, if you can afford it. Unfortunately, I'm not in that kind of position to spend that kind of money for a scope like that. Unless I hit the lottery I would never be able to purchase a scope that costs that much money. Any of you well off astronomers like to adopt me?

Bob

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jrbarnett
Eyepiece Hooligan

Reged: 02/28/06

Loc: Petaluma, CA

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: ValeryD]
#4915246 - 11/14/11 10:42 AM

Doublets? Hard to say. I wonder whether the fashion for triplets hasn't made doublets a harder sell than they used to be.

Figure you could get at least $8,000 for a 10" doublet with decent mechanicals. That's what D&G gets for its 10-inchers (C-F achromats). Given that your ED doublet will likely be better color corrected than the D&G at like aperture and focal length, you should be able to get some kind of premium (1.5x perhaps)?

Very hard to predict.

- Jim

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poorman
super member

Reged: 10/08/03

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: jrbarnett]
#4915287 - 11/14/11 11:07 AM

Here's an 8" AP for $18,000. This was $35,000 a couple days ago.
http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=754031

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Illinois
Pooh-Bah

Reged: 12/18/06

Loc: near Chicago, Illinois USA

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: poorman]
#4915355 - 11/14/11 11:45 AM

I rather to have a few good telescope from various size 4" refractor up to 18 inch dobsonian than one expensive scope!

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Paul G
Post Laureate

Reged: 05/08/03

Loc: Freedonia

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: poorman]
#4915381 - 11/14/11 12:00 PM

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Here's an 8" AP for $18,000. This was $35,000 a couple days ago.
http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=754031

That's a pretty good deal, relatively speaking. Their 8" EDF goes for $50K used, only about a dozen of those as well.

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vahe
professor emeritus

Reged: 08/27/05

Loc: Houston, Texas

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: Paul G]
#4915405 - 11/14/11 12:15 PM

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That's a pretty good deal, relatively speaking. Their 8" EDF goes for $50K used, only about a dozen of those as well.

The last one on Amart was right at 100K, talk about greed, it was in the ads section for a while and eventually ended up in the auctions, no takers as far as I remember.

Vahe

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hfjacinto
I think he's got it!

Reged: 01/12/09

Loc: Land of clouds and LP

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: vahe]
#4915427 - 11/14/11 12:23 PM

At this price, I would either get the TEC 180 or a 17 RCOS and a Paramount.

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rwiederrich
Goldfinger

Reged: 11/17/05

Loc: Always Dark skies of Belfair W...

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: hfjacinto]
#4915519 - 11/14/11 01:15 PM

Good night nurse! 18k~30k for a single telescope and nothing more.....

I made a package deal....my 10"f/15 to include all three spotters(5"f/9, 80mm f/15.6, and a 50mm f/5) custom spotter mounts..an internal electrical focuser(1.25")for Eps. Massive 4" shaft mount with 12" drive gears...and its 8ft 3 sided steel pier. The whole package for 25K...and guess what...it's been on the market for 1.5 years and no serious offers. I guess folks want to spend loads of their money on a smaller scope, then have to spend just as much on a good mount and pier.

Oh well.....I get to be the one to use it then.

It's hard to sell anything not made by a manufacturer..even if it's well made. I'm keepen it

then.

Rob

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blueman
Vendor Blue Sky Accessories

Reged: 07/20/07

Loc: California

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: rwiederrich]
#4915535 - 11/14/11 01:23 PM

Hmm, I thought your dad made that scope?
Blueman

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Good night nurse! 18k~30k for a single telescope and nothing more.....

I made a package deal....my 10"f/15 to include all three spotters(5"f/9, 80mm f/15.6, and a 50mm f/5) custom spotter mounts..an electrical helical focuser(1.25")for Eps. Massive 4" shaft mount with 12" drive gears...and its 8ft 3 sided steel pier. The whole package for 25K...and guess what...it's been on the market for 1.5 years and no serious offers. I guess folks want to spend loads of their money on a smaller scope, then have to spend just as much on a good mount and pier.

Oh well.....I get to be the one to use it then.

It's hard to sell anything not made by a manufacturer..even if it's well made. I'm keepen it then.

Rob

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rwiederrich
Goldfinger

Reged: 11/17/05

Loc: Always Dark skies of Belfair W...

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: blueman]
#4915582 - 11/14/11 01:57 PM

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Hmm, I thought your dad made that scope?
Blueman
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Good night nurse! 18k~30k for a single telescope and nothing more.....

I made a package deal....my 10"f/15 to include all three spotters(5"f/9, 80mm f/15.6, and a 50mm f/5) custom spotter mounts..an electrical helical focuser(1.25")for Eps. Massive 4" shaft mount with 12" drive gears...and its 8ft 3 sided steel pier. The whole package for 25K...and guess what...it's been on the market for 1.5 years and no serious offers. I guess folks want to spend loads of their money on a smaller scope, then have to spend just as much on a good mount and pier.

Oh well.....I get to be the one to use it then.

It's hard to sell anything not made by a manufacturer..even if it's well made. I'm keepen it then.

Rob

No Blue...he made my 6"f/15 and all its goodies..not the 10"f/15 and all of its. I'm never selling the 6"f/15...besides that one is insured for over 70K...though it's probably priceless as far as I'm concerned.

Rob

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Paul G
Post Laureate

Reged: 05/08/03

Loc: Freedonia

Re: Is this $35,000 7"refractor deal for real? new

[Re: vahe]
#4915588 - 11/14/11 01:59 PM

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That's a pretty good deal, relatively speaking. Their 8" EDF goes for $50K used, only about a dozen of those as well.

The last one on Amart was right at 100K, talk about greed, it was in the ads section for a while and eventually ended up in the auctions, no takers as far as I remember.

Vahe

Nothing wrong with asking, it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay. The two I know about personally sold for $50-65K. The $65K scope included an AP 1200 GTO mount. Unless a seller really needs the money or doesn't care about the money it wouldn't make sense to sell an AP at any kind of discount from past prices, even given the current disastrous economy. At some point Roland will retire and these scopes will become even more valuable.

Scopes like these often sell quietly behind the scenes.

Edited by Paul G (11/14/11 06:17 PM)

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