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Strix2
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Reged: 06/25/09

Loc: southern Chile (Osorno)
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5536336 - 11/23/12 09:50 PM Attachment (66 downloads)

Binos rear view...

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Strix2
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Reged: 06/25/09

Loc: southern Chile (Osorno)
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5536341 - 11/23/12 09:53 PM Attachment (46 downloads)

The reticle... Being a civil binocular why has a reticle? No evidence of refurbishing, screws covered with original paint...

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Strix2
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Reged: 06/25/09

Loc: southern Chile (Osorno)
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5536345 - 11/23/12 09:56 PM Attachment (50 downloads)

Last pic of the reticle. If somebody has information on the reticle model (if any) and about the case it will be welcomed.

Clear skies....
Strix


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FrankL
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Reged: 07/30/09

Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5536483 - 11/23/12 11:56 PM

Interesting binocular with the graticule. It is not a typical German WWII graticule pattern. No doubt Zeiss did special orders and it's my guess that's what this is.

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Simon S
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Reged: 01/07/07

Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5537561 - 11/24/12 05:15 PM

Nice example made in late 1934. The graticule is very Leitz looking to me.

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Pinewood
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Reged: 12/07/04

Loc: 40.77638º N 73.982652 W
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5538119 - 11/25/12 12:41 AM

Quote:

The reticle... Being a civil binocular why has a reticle? No evidence of refurbishing, screws covered with original paint...




Hello Strix2,

I have a very civilian, center focus, Leitz Binuxit, with a reticle, which must have been specially ordered. It might have been useful for hunters, to set their sights or for orienteering for locating oneself before GPS.

Clear skies,
Arthur Pinewood


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Simon S
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Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Pinewood]
      #5538261 - 11/25/12 04:35 AM

You could have it removed.

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FrankL
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Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Simon S]
      #5538442 - 11/25/12 09:47 AM

Quote:

You could have it removed.


But doing so may affect focal length.

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Pinewood
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Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: FrankL]
      #5538510 - 11/25/12 10:42 AM

Quote:

Quote:

You could have it removed.


But doing so may affect focal length.



Hello Frank,

Yes, but the net effect would be that the affected tube would not have the same focussing, as it had previously, and probably, not by much.

Clear skies,
Arthur Pinewood


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Simon S
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Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Pinewood]
      #5538521 - 11/25/12 10:56 AM

The effect on focal length is tiny, less than half a dioptre.

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FrankL
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Loc: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Simon S]
      #5538630 - 11/25/12 12:14 PM

Quote:

The effect on focal length is tiny, less than half a dioptre.


My experience is that this is usually the case. Sometimes taking out a graticule will seem to have no affect on focal length and usually there will be an effect but only a minor one. However, I've seen it (albeit rarely) seemingly change focal length quite a bit, noticeable because a lot of stagger becomes present when focusing. Why this happens when some graticules are removed and doesn't when others are taken out, I don't know. Would it have something to do with the thickness of the graticule?

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Strix2
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Reged: 06/25/09

Loc: southern Chile (Osorno)
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: FrankL]
      #5539491 - 11/25/12 10:08 PM

Gentlemen,

Thanks for your input..
As Frank have pointed out it could be a special order, and I agree with Arthur's guess, most probably this is a binocular for hunters!!! I never thought about that but right now remembering my training on navigation, a most important skill before the GPS advent for us wildlife biologists, it makes sense. A compass, a map and this binocular makes a suite which could beat any GPS (when it run out of batteries, which is rather a common issue at low temperatures: Murphys' law....). Because that and in addition to its exquisite views and light weight, I will not remove the graticule. I know how to use this graticule for measuring distances and my readings are quite similar to those provided by a standard rangefinder, provided that you know the size of the object in metric units. E.g., a medium sized red deer has a body length about 2.10 m, and if you spot the animal with this binocular and the length's reading is 5 mils then distance calculation is quite simple: (2.10/5) x 1000 = 420 meters; this info for an old fashion hunter (no modern telescopic sight) indeed was valuable to secure his blank (BTW I'm not a hunter and we have red deer here at private game farms, as well some free ranging ones in andean ranges, invaders from Argentina...). Thanks again for your comments and best regards,
Strix


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plyscope
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Reged: 11/23/06

Loc: Perth, West Australia
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Strix2]
      #5540478 - 11/26/12 03:09 PM

Yesterday I was in a little Antiques and Collectables shop in Singapore. There were three binoculars, all old and in poor condition.

A Russian 8x30 with orange filters to clip over the eyepieces.

A Zenith 7x50.

A Meibo 10x50 lightweight widefield 7 degree. This one was the most interesting but it was very rough and not in a usable condition. It was $250 SGB (about $200 USD) which was more than I wanted to pay for something that was ornamental value without a major overhaul. This one also had the orange filters that clipped onto the eyepieces, what are they for? Haze?

Andy


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Simon S
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Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: plyscope]
      #5549013 - 12/01/12 03:56 PM

The Russian 8x30 nothing special but are robust and never seem to suffer fungus?
The Zenith, is a Japanese 60's porro of no special regard.
But the Meibo is an early Fujica (Fujinon) and are a great and collectable binocular. That was a very over priced binocular.
The orange clip on filters belong to the Russian 8x30.


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plyscope
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Reged: 11/23/06

Loc: Perth, West Australia
Re: Carl Zeiss Jena Silvamar 6x30 - 1935 new [Re: Simon S]
      #5549135 - 12/01/12 05:34 PM

Thanks Simon.

I guess it's hard to know what a professional restoration would cost without a proper quote but I would imagine it being several hundreds of dollars for one in such poor condition.

When I saw two out of the three binoculars with the orange filters I wondered if they were related to the overcast skies that predominate in Singapore?


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RafaelP
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Reged: 12/01/12

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Zeiss 10x40B T* new [Re: plyscope]
      #5549207 - 12/01/12 06:34 PM Attachment (29 downloads)

Well this is my first post here. I have been looking for new binoculars for getting into astronomy. Instead I jumped on pair of Zeiss 10x40B T* in pristine condition from a pro photographer friend for $200. I don't have possession of them yet. Here is quick iphone picture. Anyone ever use them for the night sky?

Edited by RafaelP (12/01/12 06:39 PM)


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Erik Bakker
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Reged: 08/10/06

Loc: The Netherlands, Europe
Re: Zeiss 10x40B T* new [Re: RafaelP]
      #5549213 - 12/01/12 06:40 PM

Hi Rafael,

Welcome to CN.

I have used them on the stars decades ago and they were wonderful. Seems like you got a good deal on them. Enjoy!


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Gordon Rayner
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Re:Wortz binoculars new [Re: BillC]
      #5549472 - 12/01/12 10:20 PM

Re: Post #5452048. Oct 2, 2012:

"Gordon and others squack........" What others?

I have never said that the Fujinon AR ( or the nearly identical M-22) come from Katsuma. They are Kamakura, as you say.

The Tasco M-327 and M-328, sold to USMC (green rubber, I have dozens from Camp Pendleton with chipped prisms from brittle glue breakage)and the similar, black ones Optic-Electronic in Dallas sold to the Navy , are Katsuma. The Swift Storm King 7 x 50 of 1970's or '80s, or earlier, look Katsuma, but Swift (RIP) would not confirm in a conversation at one of the shows.


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BillC
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Re:Wortz binoculars [Re: Gordon Rayner]
      #5549623 - 12/02/12 12:00 AM

The Storm King WAS and IS Tamaya. It is even sold under that name in some places.

BillC


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Gordon Rayner
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Re:Wortz binoculars [Re: BillC]
      #5550381 - 12/02/12 01:54 PM

But who makes/made the binocular for sextant manufacturer Tamaya?
The Tamaya looked, externally, just like the Katsuma sold to several other rebranders.
Katsuma supplied the same basic 7 x 50 inferior copy, heavier, glued up, and mostly uselessly rubber covered, with grease to hold shims to tilt the prisms instead of good seats and accurate prisms, of the WW II genuine Rochester, N. Y B&L factory US Navy Mk. 28, to Leupold, " Bausch & Lomb", Jason , Swift, Optic-Electronic, Tasco , and who knows whom else, to the best of my knowledge.


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