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Astrojensen
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New eyepieces for my binoviewer
      #5053495 - 02/03/12 01:29 PM

Hi.

Never being able to forget the superb views through some 13T6 Naglers on my Maxbright bino at a star party last autumn, I finally succumbed and went ahead to get some wide-field eyepieces that I could call my own. Unfortunately, I couldn't afford Naglers. Fortunately I primarily use medium focal ratio or longer scopes, so eyepiece type was much less critical for me than someone with an f/4 dob.

In the end, I went with the GSO Superview Erfles. They were on sale at Teleskop-Service at only 36 euros a piece(!) and so I could get the whole set of 20mm, 15mm and 10mm for less than 3/4th the price of a single 13mm T6... OK, so the quality is not the same, nor is the apparent field, but it still proves that the GSOs are a tremendous value.

I received them today and after unpacking, I was pleased by the first impression. Extremely nice build quality, especially the 20mm and 15mm, with the 10mm also very nice. Flawless looks, inside and out. There were some extremely tiny grease marks on the eye lens of one of the 10mm's, but it cleaned effortlessly with a piece of soft cloth.

Putting them into my bino for a dry run inside, I was stunned by the extremely clear, sharp field stop in the 15mm and how easy it appeared to look through. I have high expectations for this one now! The 20mm surprised me by having lots of dust motes easily visible in focus! Oh dear. I didn't expect this. I cleaned the field lens in both with a clean, soft cloth, but the field lens is so close to focus that *everything* is immediately noticeable, even the most minute speck of dust. This is *not* going to be a good low-power lunar eyepiece. And that is a damn shame, since it is very comfortable to use. The field stop is not quite as sharp as in the 15mm, but it's close. The 10mm has very tight eye relief and seeing the whole field of view at once was not easy! I almost had to press myself against the eyepiece to see it. Not good. I suspect these will need replacement in the future. The field stop seemed quite sharp, when I could see it...

Surprisingly, I had a few minutes worth of sucker holes, so I loaded the bino with the 20mm eyepieces, put it on my Zeiss Telemator and ran outside in the arctic cold to test it. The view was extremely nice, save for the dust motes (this is going to be a pain!) and seemed to be crisp right to the field stop. I think the 20mm's and 15mm's are going to be super sweet for high power deep-sky objects. They are certainly comfortable to use. I experienced no blackouts with them.

So far, a mixed bag of good and bad. I will let you know more, when I can get some quality time with them under the stars. So far, the 15mm's seem like the overall winners, but time will tell.


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Astrojensen
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Re: New eyepieces for my binoviewer new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5053798 - 02/03/12 04:52 PM

I had a chance to test the new GSOs through some sucker holes this evening and they confirm my initial findings, for the most part. I looked at the Moon, through sucker holes in a very clear sky, but the seeing wasn't so good and often terrible.

The eyepieces are razor sharp in my 150mm f/8 Sky-Watcher achromat, stopped to 120mm f/10 and a 1.7x GPC in the Zeiss T2 prism on the bino. The 20mm is slightly unsharp near the edge, but the effect is so small that it's hardly noticeable, since you don't tend to look at objects close to the field edge in a 70 degree field eyepiece anyway. The 15mm is so close to perfectly sharp across the field that it's hard to tell that it isn't and the 10mm *is* sharp edge-to-edge.

First in the bino was the 15mm's and my first thought was: "My goodness, these are as sharp as orthos!". And they are. I couldn't get enough time to compare them head to head with my UO VTs, but I did pay attention to what I was seeing and what I was seeing I was extremely impressed with. No ghosting, no glare, no lateral color, extremely bright, clear, sharp images with neutral tone and extremely comfortable eye position. This was also true for the 20mm and 10mm.

The 10mm turned out to be far more comfortable in use than I had anticipated, once I folded the eyeguards down. I have the same issue on my 10mm TS kellners. Frankly, I was extremely impressed with the 10mm's. They felt like 9mm UO's on speed, if you know what I mean. I tested them head-to-head with the 10mm TS Kellners and could see *no* difference in brightness, contrast and sharpness. The GSOs were more comfortable and had a far larger apparent and true field that was sharp to the edge. The 70 degree field of the GSOs were easier to take in than the 50 degree fields of the TS Kellners. To put it bluntly, the GSOs kicked the poor Kellners so far out the eyepiece box they still don't know what hit them. It was a total knock-out in the first round.

The biggest issue so far is that the 20mm's can't reach focus without a GPC. Bummer. I didn't get a chance to see if this was true for the 15mm, but I suspect so. I also didn't try the 10mm's without the GPC, but it seemed to reach focus a little further out than the 10mm Kellners, which do reach focus without a GPC, so it would seem the 10mm GSOs should also be able to do so. If so, I am very happy, since I used the 10mm Kellners a lot without the GPC.

I suspect I will have tons of fun with these and they should be absolute killer for deep-sky. Can't wait to take a look at M13 with the C8 and the 10mm's!


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark

Edit: The dust motes in the 20mm turned out to be less of an issue than I had thought, but it's still mildly distracting, just like splattered bugs on your car windshield.

"Damn Saturn-flies, getting all over the hood and windshield of my spaceship and I just ran out of bonus tickets for the local spaceship wash. Just typical!"

Edited by Astrojensen (02/04/12 06:10 AM)


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