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Guilherme1
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Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum
      #5097969 - 02/29/12 04:12 PM

Why not a Intes/Intes Micro specific instruments Forum? Or a Rusian Maksutovs Forum (Intes/Intes Micro/Santel/Mirage/Lomo). I'm asking for a such specific forum, but I cannot contact the administrator, I give that suggestion hereminitrators. I'm remebering the usefull forum we can also have for Russian Maks.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Guilherme1]
      #5108795 - 03/06/12 04:19 PM

Looking at the Forum Index, I see that the "Telescope Specific Forums" are related to products by our sponsor.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5109427 - 03/06/12 11:26 PM

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Looking at the Forum Index, I see that the "Telescope Specific Forums" are related to products by our sponsor.




There's no connection.

When Cloudy Nights was starting up, I volunteered to moderate a Questar forum since I was already moderating the Questar forum on Yahoo Groups. Alistair - who owned CN before Astronomics - said "Sure!" and the CN Questar forum was born. I wrote some of the "Q-Tips" entries that used to stick at the top. But unfortunately I was unable to keep up both forums and had to give up my duties here, and soon let my membership lapse as well. I returned a few years later and have stayed. There is some common membership between the forum here and my forum on Yahoo Groups. Each has its advantages.

The Questar is sufficiently unique and subject to hostile and bemused commentary from other scope owners that I think it should have its own forum. The big Russian scopes can hold their own among the other Cats and Cassegrains, so there is less need for a separate forum, but if you think you can make a case, go for it.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Larry Geary]
      #5110178 - 03/07/12 04:06 PM

I was just noting an observation, nothing more. I joined the group on Russian Scopes at the other site awhile back, but there was little activity, actually very little over the past three years, so I withdrew. Cloudy Nights provided more than enough information on the Intes Scopes; we have an Alter M500. I think Cloudy nights is a wonderful site and the format is great. I have no axe to grind, life is good.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5117164 - 03/11/12 05:02 PM

Oh I'm not grinding any axes either, just explaining how it is we have a Questar forum - and tooting my own horn a tiny bit.

If by "the other site" you mean AM, yeah, I seldom drop in there because the forum activity is low and the interesting stuff essentially zero. CN is where it's at for forums, AM is the place for buying and selling.

Best way to generate some interest in Intes is to post in the Cats and Casses forum singing its praises, the way we do here about our Questars. I'll bet most people have forgotten about the Intes since it hasn't been much discussed in recent years. People are probably confused about Intes vs. Intes Micro - as I am. I couldn't tell you where to find one, or what the model line is, or what the advantages of the scope are. You have an opportunity to let people know what they're missing, if you're in the mood to evangelize.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Larry Geary]
      #5119857 - 03/13/12 09:56 AM

Larry,

My dad once said... "A little knowledge, is no knowledge at all". I've owned only six telescopes during my lifetime, now a seventh in what has up until reciently been a go it alone hobby; so, i'll have to defer to those more knowledgeable. Perhaps some day when my hair turns white I will evangelize, if Cloudy Nights permit it; I know somewhere I have a doctor of divinity degree from the ULC, which I got for donating a dollar about 40 years ago.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5181652 - 04/20/12 12:13 PM

Count me in, comrade. My LOMO mak is a Russian bear that can hold its own against a Q7. Might not be pretty to look at, but...

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Brian L]
      #5181667 - 04/20/12 12:19 PM

The feedback forum is the place to discuss changes to the site.
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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Larry Geary]
      #5181778 - 04/20/12 01:34 PM

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People are probably confused about Intes vs. Intes Micro - as I am.




Just a name change they had to undergo at the time when something was changing in their incorporation status, most likely a purely legal requirement when they outgrew the original incorporation form. I am not an Intes history buff, but this seems pretty obvious from what I did read on their website, although they do not go into details.

These are very cool scopes, certainly up there with the best, and regardless of the performance I like their old-school professional appearance. Pity they do not go hard after the US market, so the only one I was able to lay my hands on was a strange "new, limited-stock, sold as used" one from Astronomics.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: IVM]
      #5181871 - 04/20/12 02:31 PM

You can't get the Russian scopes new in CONUSA anymore, can you? Teton telescopes has been put out of business by APM Germany. Got a MN56 just to see and was blown away by the optical quality. Now have a MN86. They are just so good but Teton just didn't sell many scopes. Guess we could be like the refractor forum, patting ourselves on the back for our good fortune to own one of these.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: tomharri]
      #5182080 - 04/20/12 04:44 PM

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You can't get the Russian scopes new in CONUSA anymore, can you? Teton telescopes has been put out of business by APM Germany.




I strongly suspect that the "limited stock, no warranty" bunch that Astronomics were selling (one of which I got) were from the liquidation of Teton.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: IVM]
      #5191321 - 04/26/12 09:40 AM

Same is true of LOMO optics. They didn't have much of a footprint in North America to begin with, but neither of their U.S. dealers is carrying any of LOMO's astro products. I think they can't compete or are unwilling to compete with the glut of Chinese made scopes- which are good enough to satisfy the needs of most amateur astronomers. Like Questar, there are too few that can appreciate (or have need for) the superb optics Lomo, Intes, and Questar offer.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Brian L]
      #5194047 - 04/27/12 09:12 PM

Superb optics? It was my ownership of an early model Intes-Micro M603 that steered me towards buying a Questar. Mediocre optics was the description that the dealer sent me when I returned it for service. Neither was it fun having the focuser seize up constantly in cold weather or getting my hands greasy from the "bear" grease that ran out of the finder scope focuser.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Les]
      #5195361 - 04/28/12 05:58 PM

I don't know about that, my 95 Lomo Astele can give my Questar 3.5 a run for its money , I had it outside at 20 degrees F and the focuser worked fine!
Maybe I was just lucky.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: SATMAN]
      #5195555 - 04/28/12 08:50 PM

It is my understanding that the early Intes scopes did have problems with the optics and other working parts. Teton became the USA supplier and did a major QC check on every incoming scope and returned the bad ones. Intes then started to send the best scopes to Teton and the quality was among the very best. I was sad to see Teton go out of business.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: SATMAN]
      #5195557 - 04/28/12 08:50 PM

Glad you got a good one. Just recounting my experience with a 6" I-M scope.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Les]
      #5195817 - 04/29/12 12:06 AM

Just turn the Questar forum into ALL MAKSUTOV'S...

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: tomharri]
      #5200606 - 05/01/12 06:07 PM

They are a niche scope like the Questar but at least the Q is still made

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: JohnH]
      #5202901 - 05/02/12 11:01 PM

John, I may be wrong but I believe Intes Micro are still made and sold in considerable numbers (as far as specialized optics goes) throughout Europe... It is only the North American market that is underserved by the distribution. My bet is that worldwide new sales of Intes Micro are at least several-fold higher than those of Questar, probably more than ten times. In other words, those Intes Micro models that are comparable to Questar (the portable models for visual observation) are considerably "less niche" than Questar. Such particularly specialized Intes Micro models as the very fast Mak-Newt astrographs (f/3, I believe, were made or at least offered)and large-aperture Mak-Casses (12" and up) are another matter.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: IVM]
      #5209471 - 05/06/12 09:17 PM

As an owner of both a 6" MN 61 Intes Micro and an 8" M809 f/10 Intes Micro Mak/Cass, I found the supply of of new ones so spotty that for all intents and purposes, one should consider them to be an instrument that is no longer made.

I have looked at a number of them and the most recent one I've seen is a 7" f/6 made back in 1996. It is going to replace my MN 61 which is up for sale. You can get larger custom sizes, but there are other people who make these instrument if you desire them and have the pocket book to back up this desire.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: JohnH]
      #5426082 - 09/17/12 07:38 PM

Intes telescopes are available in North America here:

http://www.stellaroptical.com/


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: rmel66]
      #5734359 - 03/15/13 03:34 PM

IM website still lists Astronomics as their exclusive US dealer...

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Daud]
      #5735624 - 03/16/13 07:52 AM Attachment (25 downloads)

Astronomics did become an Intes-Micro dealer a few years ago (after Teton gave it up). They imported a dozen scopes and had them on display at NEAF in 2011, IIRC.

Then they learned that I-M will only ship their scopes in wooden containers and the heavy weight drove up the shipping costs too much. So Mike sold off his inventory and hasn't ordered any more.

I would love to see a forum devoted to Russian optics. My 8" STF-Mirage Mak can hold its own with anything in its size, but I get tired of telling people they have to go to Moscow to get one.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: RAKing]
      #5738329 - 03/17/13 10:15 AM

There are just too few Russkies out there, and people are too interested in 'brand names' and not optical quality. Then there is the money factor- these scopes were expensive when new. Of the 3 I've had, got em all used at about 1/2 price of new. Then resold them for what I paid for them.

The Russian scopes taught me that Quality Optics is really what counts in a scope, especially a reflector. All my scopes that contain a mirror are now 1/10 wave or better.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: tomharri]
      #5785925 - 04/08/13 12:50 PM

I have the best of both worlds: my Q7 was VERY secondhand and horribly dirty inside, so while I was trying to find someone in the UK to clean it, I acquired a 7" F10 Russian MCT, tapped a suitable hole into its mounting plate and fitted it to the Q7's forkmount -- lovely!

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: planetmalc]
      #5787344 - 04/09/13 04:13 AM

Quote:

I have the best of both worlds: my Q7 was VERY secondhand and horribly dirty inside, so while I was trying to find someone in the UK to clean it, I acquired a 7" F10 Russian MCT, tapped a suitable hole into its mounting plate and fitted it to the Q7's forkmount -- lovely!




That sounds interesting, did you raise the mounting plate on a block to center the OTA with the setting circles ?
Can you post photos please.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5787501 - 04/09/13 07:28 AM

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That sounds interesting, did you raise the mounting plate on a block to center the OTA with the setting circles ?





That wouldn't be necessary. What's important is that the optical axis should be perpendicular to the mount's declination axis. If that is achieved, and if the optical tube can swing freely between the yoke arms without the eyepiece banging into the base of the mount, the setup should be functional and accurate.

What's problematic is having a spare or empty Q7 mount sitting around unoccupied. I doubt there are many such beasts floating around out there. They're rare to begin with, and very pricey.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5788007 - 04/09/13 12:41 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I have the best of both worlds: my Q7 was VERY secondhand and horribly dirty inside, so while I was trying to find someone in the UK to clean it, I acquired a 7" F10 Russian MCT, tapped a suitable hole into its mounting plate and fitted it to the Q7's forkmount -- lovely!




That sounds interesting, did you raise the mounting plate on a block to center the OTA with the setting circles ?
Can you post photos please.




Sadly, I can't post photo's and, no, I didn't bother with any mounting refinement because my unit has the American DC motor and I live in the AC-system UK, so I only ever use the manual slow-motions and relatively low powers. Clearance is fine with this Intes OTA, and it's a breath of fresh air to be able to use the full range of big 2" eyepieces that are available to us nowadays. It's certainly something for Q7 owners to consider if they can get hold of a cheap decent F10 OTA to use in occasional low-power sessions.

Edited by planetmalc (04/09/13 12:43 PM)


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: planetmalc]
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In another thread here I posted a UK source for 230v UK to 110v US step down transformers. Here it is again...

www.newmarket-transformers.co.uk

For 52 pounds (roughly $75) you could have your Q7 fork mount up and running, a cheap investment for such a fine piece of equipment.

I live part time in the UK. So far, you are the only other person I've heard of who besides myself, has a Questar 7 here in the UK; it would be interesting to compare the two sometime.

Could you tell us what model your Russian 7" Mak is ?

At the moment, my friend Matthew is selling his Intes 715 Mak on the SGL classifieds; would be interesting to try it in our fork mount before it sells. Just for fun after reading your post, I popped our Intes-Micro Alter M500 Mak into our Q7 fork mount today; I think everyone will agree, its a bit overkill for a 5" scope, LoL.

Hank is right, an unoccupied Questar 7 mount is rare, we should make every effort to use them.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5794379 - 04/12/13 12:52 PM

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In another thread here I posted a UK source for 230v UK to 110v US step down transformers. Here it is again...

www.newmarket-transformers.co.uk

For 52 pounds (roughly $75) you could have your Q7 fork mount up and running, a cheap investment for such a fine piece of equipment.

I live part time in the UK. So far, you are the only other person I've heard of who besides myself, has a Questar 7 here in the UK; it would be interesting to compare the two sometime.

Could you tell us what model your Russian 7" Mak is ?

At the moment, my friend Matthew is selling his Intes 715 Mak on the SGL classifieds; would be interesting to try it in our fork mount before it sells. Just for fun after reading your post, I popped our Intes-Micro Alter M500 Mak into our Q7 fork mount today; I think everyone will agree, its a bit overkill for a 5" scope, LoL.

Hank is right, an unoccupied Questar 7 mount is rare, we should make every effort to use them.




Thanks for the link, Mike, I'll have a look through it.

My MCT is the Intes-72MK (third one down on this link):-

http://astronom-bg.com/main_files/TAL_files/Intes&Intes-micro%20catalogue...

Some clarification is required regarding my claim about its clearance in the Q7 mount: it's fine for ME 'cos I live at latitude 52.4N, but it wouldn't be OK for those living in the tropics.

My Q7 OTA is a purple-tubed specimen without any star map on the barrel. Paperwork that was included with it included a price list which has some manual underlining on it (presumably done by a previous owner) suggesting that it's got a Pyrex mirror and BB coatings. Serial number is (I think) P-7-699-DP-3B (not very easy to read).


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: planetmalc]
      #5794750 - 04/12/13 03:27 PM

Mr. Bakker, who frequently posts on this forum, also had a Q7 with the gorgeous mystic purple color. His photos prompted me to order ours without the star charts, which I'm glad I did. Even though the purple anodizing is no longer available, the blue finish we received looks classic also.
Going by our 5" Mak, the Intes scopes seem to have robust housings, the optical tube is 172mm in diameter. Its 45mm wider than the primary mirror. If this follows through with other scopes, I can understand your fork clearance issue as our fork saddle is 210mm wide.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: planetmalc]
      #5796180 - 04/13/13 09:11 AM

Your Questar serial number does have a Pyrex mirror as the 'P' The Q7 serial number starts with the type of mirror used, in your case Pyrex. The second digit seems to always be the number '7' meaning it is a Questar 7. This is then followed by the serial number, in your case 699. Most like this Q7 was made sometime between 1988 and 1990 most likely 1988 of 1989. The DP means of course it is Duplex and the 3B as you typed it is most likely BB for Broad Band coatings. I believe to have the star chart and or moon map was an extra expense at the time.

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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: ralphfoss]
      #5796560 - 04/13/13 12:43 PM

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Your Questar serial number does have a Pyrex mirror as the 'P' The Q7 serial number starts with the type of mirror used, in your case Pyrex. The second digit seems to always be the number '7' meaning it is a Questar 7. This is then followed by the serial number, in your case 699. Most like this Q7 was made sometime between 1988 and 1990 most likely 1988 of 1989. The DP means of course it is Duplex and the 3B as you typed it is most likely BB for Broad Band coatings. I believe to have the star chart and or moon map was an extra expense at the time.

Ralph Foss




Thanks for that, Ralph.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: Mike E.]
      #5796574 - 04/13/13 12:55 PM

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Mr. Bakker, who frequently posts on this forum, also had a Q7 with the gorgeous mystic purple color. His photos prompted me to order ours without the star charts, which I'm glad I did. Even though the purple anodizing is no longer available, the blue finish we received looks classic also.
Going by our 5" Mak, the Intes scopes seem to have robust housings, the optical tube is 172mm in diameter. Its 45mm wider than the primary mirror. If this follows through with other scopes, I can understand your fork clearance issue as our fork saddle is 210mm wide.




When talking about 'clearance', we may be talking about different things here. The diameter clearance isn't a problem - the barrel of the OTA is only around 205mm - it's the rear-end clearance that's the problem 'cos the eyepiece/prism combo on the back end will foul the base of the forkmount when the OTA is tipped to point towards the zenith. This isn't a problem for equatorial mounting at high latitudes like mine as the OTA is always hanging outboard of the fork's base, but it WOULD be a problem at low latitudes, where the mount becomes more like an altazimuth. As you've realised, these Russian MCT's are beautifully made and performance is exquisite.


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Re: Why not a Intes/Intes Micro Forum new [Re: planetmalc]
      #5797877 - 04/14/13 06:07 AM

Yes, I was thinking fork saddle clearance.

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