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Binomania.it
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my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit
      #5114754 - 03/10/12 09:04 AM Attachment (177 downloads)

Hi to all, i've published a review of the new Sky-Watcher 150ED, on my website www.astrotest.it
The direct link is http://www.astrotest.it/telescopi/SkyWatcher_150_ED/SkyWatcher_150_ed.php
I hope that you can use google translate.
Best Regards from Italy
Piergiovanni


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Astrojensen
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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binomania.it]
      #5114830 - 03/10/12 09:56 AM

Very nice review! Thanks for sharing it.


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5115169 - 03/10/12 01:18 PM

Sky News magazine reviewed the smaller 120 and found it to be very good, however the prices of these scopes are right up there with the other premium stuff, the suggested price for the 120 was $4,000 and the 150 was $7,200 (Canadian) , thats a hekova chunk of change to pay for a China made scope, a bit like asking you to pay Porche prices for a G.M.
Dave.


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5115225 - 03/10/12 01:43 PM

If we look at the scopes that these are competing against, a TSA-120 with similar hardware would be about $7000 and a TOA-150 would be about $11000. The Skywatcher scopes are their first entry into the upper tier and can only get better. My 2 cents.

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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5115286 - 03/10/12 02:15 PM

Thank you Piergiovanni for the link and the review - I used the 'Bing' xlator and was very passable. Enjoyed the review and the images / pictures with it, nice job all around.

Binojunky - cost /asking price... what "other premium stuff" is that as far as triplets?


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5115330 - 03/10/12 02:36 PM

Quote:

Sky News magazine reviewed the smaller 120 and found it to be very good, however the prices of these scopes are right up there with the other premium stuff, the suggested price for the 120 was $4,000 and the 150 was $7,200 (Canadian) , thats a hekova chunk of change to pay for a China made scope, a bit like asking you to pay Porche prices for a G.M.
Dave.




Hi Dave

In Europe, the Esprit series are quite a bit lower priced than their competition. The Esprit 120 is 3.300 Euro, while the APM 130/780 is close to 6K Euro. The Esprit 150 is 6.5K, with case, ring, finderscope, etc; while the TEC 140 is 5950 Euro without accesories. Add these and you're up to 7660 Euro... The APM 150/1200 runs at 8.5K.

I cannot afford any of them, so...


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5115394 - 03/10/12 03:21 PM

Thomas,you have enough scopes
I bet none of them compare to your Zeiss.


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Mr Onions]
      #5115405 - 03/10/12 03:29 PM

I don't have enough scopes, it's just my house that's too small!

And while my collection of Zeiss is nice, the biggest is only a 85mm. My 150mm f/8 Sky-Watcher achro, stopped to 120mm f/10, outperforms it effortlessly on any object.


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5115441 - 03/10/12 03:59 PM

Oh I thought you had a bigger Zeiss.
My mistake.


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Mr Onions]
      #5116244 - 03/11/12 05:03 AM

I've talked about it so much, it sometimes believe it is much bigger than 85mm...

It doesn't get so much starlight anymore, poor thing, what with all the stiff competition close at hand, but once in a while I do take it out for a dance.


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5116417 - 03/11/12 09:48 AM

Well to be honest if its a case of spending four grand on a multi lens scope then I would be inclined to go with a TeleVue 101, less aperture I know but a proven pedigree and no doubt it would hold its resale value better, for visual use in the 120 range then heck you can get the EON120 for about $1,600, I know its a doublet but most visual observers would be happy, going up to bigger sizes then take a look at StellarVue, as I said a lot of money for a Chinese scope, but to each his own,JMPOV, Dave.

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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5116514 - 03/11/12 10:55 AM

Quote:

a lot of money for a Chinese scope




Looks like its a lot of scope.

Nice review on it.


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Yu Gu
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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5117015 - 03/11/12 03:24 PM

Quote:

I would be inclined to go with a TeleVue 101, less aperture I know but a proven pedigree and no doubt it would hold its resale value better .




I though NP-101 is one of the worst performer in the resale value holding catagory...


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Yu Gu]
      #5117431 - 03/11/12 09:01 PM

Yup, a NP-101 goes for about 50% of original price on resale, which is arguably, even less than most chinese scopes.
Buying a used NP-101, on the other hand, is a great dwal


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5118168 - 03/12/12 10:34 AM

But comparing a 120mm to a 130mm scope is apples-to-oranges.

The TSA-120 is a $4600 scope currently (though when it debuted a couple of years ago it was a $3200 scope - those were the days!). Even with accessories (and not Synta accessories but nicely cast Takahashi clamshell and finder) the TSA, in my opinion, represents a better value. I saw another poster put the price of the TSA-120 with accessories at $7k. I think that's way off. You don't need $2400 to comparably equip the two scopes (Esprit and TSA).

The elephant in the room for both of these scopes, however, is the TEC 140. Granted that 140mm to 150mm is also apples- and-oranges, but I suspect many folks will be willing to trade 10mm of aperture and lose the mass-market Skywatcher brand and anonymous manufacturing in favor of saving over a thousand bucks and getting an ultra-premium handmade scope of known manufacture. Also note that the TEC 160ED ran in the 8k range when available and is 10mm larger than the Esprit 150.

I'm with Binojunky - these scopes are priced too high for their new-to-market status and provenance. Particularly in a market accustomed to $1700 127mm Chinese triplets.

Regards,

Jim


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5118497 - 03/12/12 12:48 PM

The TEC APO160ED was $8.8k (scope + rings only, and it's f/8) and went into mid $9k ($9,431 USD) with added DTP and finder scope, +shipping (no case offered) [This was 5/8/09 when I bought mine]. (IMO, even then quite a bargain)

Looking around and trying to stay apples to apples, 150 triplet air spaced, ~f/7... I just don't see a lot out there? Compared to the two I could find... TOA and APM... the asking price is quite a bargain. Add that the field corrector (these are four digit accessories with Tak) Just trying to keep apples to apples here. I admit I don't know where Tak and TMB source their glass, but I doubt any of them are considered mass produced except of in terms of hand figured glass, which I don't really think I'd call 'available', TEC doesn't make one(150mm) and A-P... well...

Sorry to go off topic, great to see a review of that scope.


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5118609 - 03/12/12 01:54 PM

Explore Scientific do a 127 triplet for $1,700 or in CF for another $500, its an offshore scope just like the Sky Watcher and two grand less than the latter, I remember in Canada when Sky Watcher first came on to the market, low cost scopes, they climbed the ladder a bit and have moved mid range with the likes of the Pro range then the Equinox still however at reasonable prices though not as cheap as the early days, however now they are trying to run with the big boys and good luck to them, I wish them well however at those prices they will need it.
Its not a question of whether they are good scopes its a matter of customers association with the Sky Watcher name, a few years ago a low cost watch company starting with a T came out with a range of watches that were up there price wise with the Japanese and Swiss watches, they looked very nice but didn,t sell because of cheap or low cost association with the particular brand name, we all have varied ways of looking at things and their worth however if I was plonking down 4-7,000 bucks on a scope then other makes would be at the forefront than Synta made Sky Watcher, Dave.


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5118652 - 03/12/12 02:21 PM

As long as one chooses to continually bring up past performance from years past and mediocre reputation, then they just add to the rumor mill. I think we have all seen examples of companies that have broken free of this and are producing fine products. The opposite holds true as well. Some rely on their past reputation alone for sales while the newer products suffer from cheaper manufacturing and less care to the end product and QC that leaves much to be desired.

Two examples of non Astro related products and companies would be Peavey Electronics, formally known for lackluster quality sounding amps and low end cost/performance that has evolved into a formidable competitor to top amp manufacturers such as Bogner, Soldano, Buddha, Mesa Engineering.

Then you have Bose in stereo equipment. Used to be top of the line with great reputation and now you can read many comparison reviews that show they have dropped in quality. Both in sound and manufacture. They still rely heavily on name to sell.

At least someone actually did a review and is getting real impressions out to us.


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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Vondragonnoggin]
      #5118989 - 03/12/12 06:17 PM

Well your convinced its a great buy, however Tom Trusock once told me and the rest of the crowd at Starfest that reviews are just the opinion of one person and as such should be taken with a large pinch of salt,or even disregarded until you can review the item oneself Dave.

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Re: my review of Sky-Watcher 150ED- Esprit new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5119119 - 03/12/12 07:30 PM

I guess the same could be said about posting opinions on it before viewing through it....

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