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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5167914 - 04/12/12 02:44 AM
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I went for a UO Ortho (Volcano top) 12.5mm. Glad to hear that it barlows well too, because I wouldn't have much fun trying to look through the eyelens of any FL's < the 12.5mm.
Actually the 9mm has plenty of eye relief for a non-eyeglass wearer. It is the 7mm where things start getting tight.
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5167928 - 04/12/12 03:13 AM
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XW 5mm
Good choice! With a non-tracking mount I think the extra FOV and ER will make viewing much more enjoyable.
Hermie
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ahlberto
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5167946 - 04/12/12 05:42 AM
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The 5-8mm speers-waler and its all i need really.I have the very last version and this must be easely the best high power multi focal eyepieçe,-its not a truly zoom.I would not trade this eyepieçe for any other eyepieçe.For its conviniençe,optical quality,brutal wide field and good built.Only no no is the weight...its a big eyepieçe
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5168449 - 04/12/12 12:40 PM
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As a few others have said...the TV3-6Zoom is da bomb!
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Starman81
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5168497 - 04/12/12 12:56 PM
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I went for a UO Ortho (Volcano top) 12.5mm. Glad to hear that it barlows well too, because I wouldn't have much fun trying to look through the eyelens of any FL's < the 12.5mm.
Actually the 9mm has plenty of eye relief for a non-eyeglass wearer. It is the 7mm where things start getting tight.
That is good to know, seriously speaking. However, my reference was in regards to the shrinking eyelens diameter as you go lower in FL.
On a side note, as far as the 12.5 is concerned, I just called UO and found out it has 10.5mm ER, which is a pleasant suprise--I was guessing an Ortho would have Plossl like ER or worse, but it shows that I have much to learn.
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5168688 - 04/12/12 02:32 PM
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Pentax XW5 was the right choice given you don't have a driven mount.
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5169487 - 04/12/12 11:48 PM
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To OP: Agree, good choice on the Pentax XW 5mm (I have the XW 7mm and it's very very comfortable to use, aside from being ultra-sharp.)
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I went for a UO Ortho (Volcano top) 12.5mm. Glad to hear that it barlows well too, because I wouldn't have much fun trying to look through the eyelens of any FL's < the 12.5mm.
Actually the 9mm has plenty of eye relief for a non-eyeglass wearer. It is the 7mm where things start getting tight.
That is good to know, seriously speaking. However, my reference was in regards to the shrinking eyelens diameter as you go lower in FL.
On a side note, as far as the 12.5 is concerned, I just called UO and found out it has 10.5mm ER, which is a pleasant suprise--I was guessing an Ortho would have Plossl like ER or worse, but it shows that I have much to learn.
True, the UO 9mm is still comfortable to use, although the eye lens is smaller than that of the 12mm's:

But not as tiny as the 5mm! 
Best,
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5169727 - 04/13/12 06:50 AM
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I went for a UO Ortho (Volcano top) 12.5mm. Glad to hear that it barlows well too, because I wouldn't have much fun trying to look through the eyelens of any FL's < the 12.5mm.
Actually the 9mm has plenty of eye relief for a non-eyeglass wearer. It is the 7mm where things start getting tight.
That is good to know, seriously speaking. However, my reference was in regards to the shrinking eyelens diameter as you go lower in FL.
On a side note, as far as the 12.5 is concerned, I just called UO and found out it has 10.5mm ER, which is a pleasant suprise--I was guessing an Ortho would have Plossl like ER or worse, but it shows that I have much to learn.
the "usable" eye relief of the eyepieces has been previously published in this forum. Regardless what the retailer tells you about eye relief, you still need to measure the "usable" eye relief by subtracting the un-usable recess from the top of the housing to the eye lens. One good thing to keep in mind, more recess keeps eye lens cleaner from eyelash gunk. But for eyeglass wearers, it reduces ability to accomodate the user.
usable eye relief
1st is the total eye relief
2nd is the depth of lens recess
3rd is the net usable eye relief.
UO (vol top) ortho 18mm 15.7-3.0 = 12.7
UO (vol top) ortho 12.5mm 11.0-3.3 = 7.7
UO (vol top) ortho 9mm 8.0-1.7 = 6.3
UO (vol top) ortho 7mm 6.0-1.3 = 4.7
here's a selection of various brands in the 9mm-7mm range
TV 8mm plossl 6.4-3 = 3.4
Tak LE 7.5mm 11.0-1.2 = 9.8
TMB Plan II 8mm 16.7-3.5 = 13.2
TMB Plan II 7mm 16.0-3.5 = 12.5
TMB Supermono 8mm 7.1-3.1 = 4.0
Cel Ultima 7.5mm 6.3-2.8 = 3.5
UO (vol top) ortho 9mm 8.0-1.7 = 6.3
UO (vol top) ortho 7mm 6.0-1.3 = 4.7
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5169758 - 04/13/12 07:35 AM
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On a side note, as far as the 12.5 is concerned, I just called UO and found out it has 10.5mm ER, which is a pleasant suprise--I was guessing an Ortho would have Plossl like ER or worse, but it shows that I have much to learn.
The Baader Genuine Ortho, if you can still find one, has a much more comfortable effective eye relief. See the side-by-side picture here.
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Starman81
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5172303 - 04/14/12 04:21 PM
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Thanks for the knowledge on planetary EP's, flat-tops vs volcano-tops and the pro's & cons associated with them. This is my first planetary EP (the UO 12.5 ortho), and with the caveats mentioned, I'm still very excited to try it out.
While holding the UO up to my eye, I do notice that my eyelashes do touch the volcano top while I get in close enough to experience the full FOV. The optimist in me took that as 'hey, now you'll know when you're getting too close to the danger zone (of actually touching eyelashes on the lens)!'
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astro_baby
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5173163 - 04/15/12 06:25 AM
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To the OP, I just mustered up the cash for. pentax 5XW. Tye views with it, what I have seen so far, have been all I had hoped but more importantly for me I have found it to be the ONLY 5mm thats really comfortable to use.
It took a little fussing with the screw up and down eyeguard to get it to the oerfect position but once it was lset up right for me it was perfect. Clear and sharp and very comfortable.
Starman81. i also have four UO orthos and the 9 and 12.5 are my most used with my Mak. Fantastic eyepieces, clear and sharp, yes the FOV is narrow but the views in the centre will take your mind off that anyway, especially for planetary. Some of the best views I have had this year have been with the UOs on Jupiter and also into the heart of M42.
My only regret with the UOs was I didnt buy them first off, would have saved myself time and money but on the other hand I might have either not learnt as much or might have been deluded into something could be even better at a budget. There are better eyepieces than the UO orthos I have used but not that you can buy for £50 for sure.
I was a biy dubious about the quality of the UO from online and opnions do seem to differ but mine are keepers (well unless someone wants to give me a Pentax XO or ZAO for the same price )
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5173795 - 04/15/12 02:09 PM
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if you don't have a manually tracking mount, then a wide field eyepiece is not worth the expense.
personally i find the edmund RKEs are unmatched for planetary work ... color free, high contrast and sharp on axis. but any "minimum glass" eyepiece would be good.
the main thing to avoid for planetary work is scatter and ghosting. planets are bright, so even minor internal reflections can seriously degrade the image.
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5175962 - 04/16/12 08:16 PM
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I like the view with an astro-physics barcon barlow and a 8mm ethos, gives about 200 power in my Tak FS 102. Going to add a 10 mm ethos next for more flexabilty. This combo works for high and low power use and gives a much wider view. Rex
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Re: Good EP for planetary
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#5175969 - 04/16/12 08:19 PM
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Rex - Are you using the Barcon ahead of the diagonal (between the diagonal and the OTA)? Barcon is a 1.7X barlow used in "normal" mode between the ep and diagonal, giving 174X in the FS102 with an 8mm eyepiece. If the lens is screwed into the nosepiece of the diagonal it is 2X giving you 205X.
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