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Prefered power! new
      #51865 - 02/08/04 03:47 PM

Do you guys prefer 8 or 10 power for your 50mm binocs?And if you dont mind listing your age.Thanks Chas 49 yrs.

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Re: Prefered power! new [Re: ]
      #51873 - 02/08/04 03:50 PM

10x

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Re: Prefered power! new [Re: EdZ]
      #51896 - 02/08/04 04:14 PM

Well, thats an interesting question. I assume that you are planning on hand holding them?

My smaller hand-holdable binos included Canon 10x30 IS, 8x42 Pentax and 7x50 Adlerblicks. I have sold the 8x42 Pentax's and have just listed my 7x50 Adlerblicks on Astromart. I'm keeping the Canon 10x30's for birding/terrestrial use and plan on purchasing its 15x50 big brother for hand-held astronomy.

Everything else will be bigger and will be mounted.

My experience using binoculars is that power is more important than aperture, and at 47 years of age I'm happy with 3mm exit pupils. Unfortunately, this this doesn't mesh well with hand holding - which is why I need IS.

So, the answer to your question is neither 8x nor 10x; 50mm for me is 15x, with IS (image stabilization).

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Re: Prefered power! new [Re: Garfield]
      #51915 - 02/08/04 04:37 PM

I don't own 50mm binoculars, but I can still correctly answer this question. If I had to use a 50mm pair as my main instrument, I would get the 10x magnification, if not more. I'm 17.

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Re: Prefered power! new [Re: ]
      #51950 - 02/08/04 05:34 PM

7X with my fuji's

I'm 31yrs


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Re: Prefered power! new [Re: ]
      #51959 - 02/08/04 05:50 PM

I like the lowest power I can go when I'm at a dark site for sweeping.

But, if you're planning on hitting individual Messier's...for example...dim globs...you might want to go for higher power.

Um...15...


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Re: Prefered power! new [Re: ]
      #51968 - 02/08/04 06:05 PM

I've owned roughly 30 binos in the past 5 years and have tested maybe 2x that number (yeah, I'm a nut). My interests range from birding to astronomy and well beyond.

As far as I'm concerned, Nikon Superior E 12x50s are the best handholdable binoculars that I've ever seen. I bird with them. I astronomize with them.

I'm not as impressed with various other 12x50s such as the Pentax and Minolta and miscellaneous Chinese 12x60s and 11x56s, so this is NOT a blanket endorsement of a specific size or power, but rather jaded enthusiasm for a specific model configuration. The topend Nikon SEs really got a lot of things right.

However, for most applications, terrestial or celestial, I think that most folks that can hold them steady are best off with a decent, but not top end set of 10x50s. If I could only be limited to specifying size and power, that would be what I'd go for.

People always try to separate things like power, or objective size or exit pupil or whatever today's buzz idea is. Binoculars don't work that way. They are the most critical sum of the whole, not a specific specification.

Would I rather have Nikon SE 8x32s or random lowend Chinese 10x50s or 12x50s? Well, of course the answer is the SE 8x32s.

Back to your question about 8x50 or 10x50; it really depends on several things like quality, baffling, amount of light pollution in your viewing area, ability to hold a target shooting or camera shooting or totally passive stance. Whether you plan on bracing them or standing with arms raised, etc. A set of Zeiss 8x50 (if they even make such a thing) vs a set of lowend, improperly coated and baffled 10x50s with undersized prisms... bet on the smaller mag glass.

Age is at least somewhat irrelevent. There's a lot of nonsense on the web that would have people belive that when they reach age 40 their pupils all of a sudden can't dilate beyond N size; (usually stated as 5mm or so). The thing of it is that humans vary from under 3ft to over 7ft., so it follows that human pupil dilation just might also be a wide range of variables.

I'm 41 and have been measured in less than total darkness as having pupils that were *shrinking* down to 6.5mm because the opto tech had to shine a white light in my eyes to get even that measurement. There are plenty more examples cataloged out there in webspace of a variety of folks who haven't found the age to pupil size correlation going exactly as planned.

This is a whole subject that practically demands a separate thread. I'll attempt to address it in detail at some later time.

Cheers,
Mike Swaim

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Re: Prefered power! [Re: lighttrap]
      #51987 - 02/08/04 06:33 PM

Mike has given such a comprehensive answer that he saved myself quite a bit of thinking and typing.

The way I address this answer is made more difficult for me because of two factors.

One is that I maintain much over 8x power cannot be held steady enough to get the best out of a binocular.

The second is that I will never forget what sheer pleasure it was to once use a Leica 8 x 50 in daytime.

Yet,to get to the point , give me 10 x 50s , even though personally I cannot hold 10x steady enough to get the most out of the magnification for astronomy , so I would need some method of mounting for serious astronomical use.

My main reason is that at 52 years of age I doubt whether there are enough situations when I personally could take full advantage of an exit pupil exceeding 6mm.

Another reason is that I hardly EVER leave my house without my Swift 10 x 50 Kestrels , and if I were to lose them ,I would probably buy another pair of them within a week.

I first got interested in binoculars at least 45 years ago and it was my late father who was responsible, and he was a firm believer that all things considered , for general all round purposes , a half -decent 10 x 50 is very tough to beat.

Little I've seen or experienced in all that time has done much to prove him wrong.

For terrestrial use , I LOVE 10 x 50s.

Regards, Kenny.

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