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Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
#5202312 - 05/02/12 05:07 PM
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Hi,
I ordered Baader Planetarium Mark V. Unfortunately I only got the body. So I can use it only for watching bodies that are right above horizon, because I have a refractor.
According to this list,
http://www.baader-planetarium.de/sektion/baa-zub_sektion_eng.pdf
the part numbers of pieces that I need are following:
- barlow 1.25 - #2456314Z
- barlow 1.7 - #2456316Z
- diagonal - probably this one, but I'm really not sure: #2456095
And I need your help to tell me if maybe I need some other parts. You guys have binoviewers, some of you have Mark V. So you could just look and tell me.
For example I am wondering if I should get part #2458100 ?
I only want to connnect together:
- some barlow
- the 90 deg diagonal
- the body
I don't need some other extra parts. Just these above. But maybe attaching a barlow requires some extra ring, or something?
thanks in advance for your help
Janek Kozicki
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5202490 - 05/02/12 06:39 PM
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Janek congrats! You have it correct! What you want is the Baader T-2 diagonal part #T2-01B or on your catalog yes, Part #2456095. This is the same one that comes with the Mark V when purchased new and the best 1.25" prism diagonal you can get. On the nosepiece of the diagonal you will need 2" nosepiece #T2-16 or part #2408150. To attach the T-2 diagonal directly to the binoviewer body you just need to attach a T-2 Quick Changer part #T2-06 Part #2456313 to the diagonal. That's all you need.
With this configuration you can also remove the 2" nosepiece from the diagonal, attach the T-2 Quick Changer to the nosepiece, and attach the nosepiece directly to the binoviewer and use it in a 2" mirror diagonal.
I would also recommend getting the 1.25X and 1.7X glasspath correctors, you have the correct catalog #s. I use at least the 1.25X at all times, it's supposed to help clean up any aberrations introduced by the prisms but the view also seem fine without a glasspath - although you may get a glint of reflection off the bright ring when the glasspath is not installed.
I also have the 1.25" clicklock eyepiece adapter you mentioned, you can either remove the T2 changer and screw that into the diagonal or attach a T-2 Quick Change Ring to the eyepiece adapter, and attach it to the diagonal the same way you attach the binoviewer (the "T-2 quick change system"). The T-2 Quick Change Ring and the T-2 Quick Changer are also sold together at a little discount I think. You do not need this eyepiece adapter to use the binoviewers. I do this to use the prism diagonal with my planetary eyepieces, it is an amazing performer.
You can also attach a 2" Baader Clicklock eyepiece adapter to the T-2 diagonal, check out my recent thread and scroll to the 4th photo. I did it to use that 2X Powermate/T-ring adapter combo, it works really well and gives me 3.4X with the 1.7X glasspath. The T-2 prism has 34mm aperture so it will even accomodate some 2" eyepieces without clipping. I attached a T-2 Quick Change Ring to the 2" clicklock since that photo and now I can just interchage it without threading it on and off.
This could get you started. Good luck!
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203100 - 05/03/12 02:55 AM
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Hi!
Thanks a lot for your help. My problem is that I need to order everything by giving part numbers from this catalog. The communication with my reseller is poor, and it's difficult to get answers to questions like "what else should I get". So I'm trying to complete the part numbers of stuff that I need.
Let me summarize your hints:
- best T2 diagonal : #2456095 (*) http://www.alpineastro.com/Star_Diagonals/Star_Diagonals.htm#Prism
--- OK, I really must get this one
- nose piece 2" T2 : #2408150 http://www.alpineastro.com/eyepiece_adapters/eyepiece_adapters.htm#Nosepieces
--- I already have that one on left photo (otherwise I wouldn't be able at all to plug Mark V body). But I have it not from Baader, but from a 1.25" Multiple 5-filter wheel. Do you think that I also need that one on right photo?
- body<->diagonal : #2456313 http://www.alpineastro.com/eyepiece_adapters/eyepiece_adapters.htm#Quick%20Change
--- problem with this one, is that I have ONLY #2456313, but on website you pointed, there seems to be another piece, I guess it is #2456320 but I'm not sure!
- barlow 1.25 : #2456314Z
- barlow 1.7 : #2456316Z
--- OK, I really must get those two Barlows
- clicklock 1.25" adapter: #2458100
--- allows to remove T2 changer and plug clicklock into diagonal then use it with a single regular 1.25" eyepiece ??
--- very nice for using with prism #2456095 (*) prism and planetary eyepieces
- clicklock 2" adapter : #2956215 ?? or maybe also with part 2956247 ??(there seem to be more parts on http://agenaastro.com/baader-1-25-2-clicklock-expansion-adapter-clexa-2-2956215.html
--- allows using 2" eyepieces with prism #2456095 (*)
So currently it's not bad, because I ordered only three parts:
- barlow 1.25 #2456314Z
- barlow 1.7 #2456316Z
- diagonal #2456095
But perhaps I should also order:
- 1.25" clicklock #2458100
- 2" clicklock #2956215
But before I do that I would be really grateful if you could check if I should order some other part, like for example #2956247 or #2456320, or maybe some other complementary part for the clicklocks...
best regards, and many thanks for your help
How do you plug Barlows into the Mark V body? Could you post a photo?
Janek Kozicki
Edited by cosurgi (05/03/12 03:39 AM)
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203172 - 05/03/12 06:58 AM
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Look at the info on the AP site and you'll see everything listed that is included with a new purchase and a PDF diagram of the system. You can order everything from them if you want.
http://www.astro-physics.com/index.htm?products/accessories/baader/bpmarkv
Harvey
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203220 - 05/03/12 07:52 AM
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Thanks!
I don't think that they are selling to Poland. So I think I need to figure out which part number on that .pdf (eg. 11e) is what part in http://www.baader-planetarium.de/sektion/baa-zub_sektion_eng.pdf
but I think shat I am starting to understand how it will work together....
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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How do you plug Barlows into the Mark V body? Could you post a photo?
Janek Kozicki
That's it on the right side, both the 1.25 and 1.7 screw in that way. The 2.6 has a different procedure.
(PS I lived and worked in Krakow for a long time, and I've been to Gdansk. I also worked for a short time in Gdynia or Sopot, I believe. Poland rules!  )
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203350 - 05/03/12 09:12 AM
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Great! Thanks for the photo. I start to understand how it is connected. Also from this .pdf http://www.astro-physics.com/products/accessories/baader/Binoviewer%20Mark%20V%2012-20-11.pdf
I see that indeed everything will work with:
- barlow 1.25 #2456314Z (11b in that .pdf)
- barlow 1.7 #2456316Z (11b in that .pdf)
- diagonal #2456095 (11d in that .pdf)
which I already ordered.
So now I wonder, what are exactly the part numbers for clicklock (which you say is so great). The part numbers in http://www.baader-planetarium.de/sektion/baa-zub_sektion_eng.pdf
Another related problem is that I cannot find clicklock in http://www.astro-physics.com/products/accessories/baader/Binoviewer%20Mark%20V%2012-20-11.pdf
maybe it's part 6 or 7 or 8. But that still doesn't help me much, since I need that ,,long digit'' part number.....
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203361 - 05/03/12 09:20 AM
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- nose piece 2" T2 : #2408150 http://www.alpineastro.com/eyepiece_adapters/eyepiece_adapters.htm#Nosepieces
--- I already have that one on left photo (otherwise I wouldn't be able at all to plug Mark V body). But I have it not from Baader, but from a 1.25" Multiple 5-filter wheel. Do you think that I also need that one on right photo?
Yes, unless you have a scope that only has a 1.25" focuser. You also may get clipping or vignetting if you do not use a 2" nosepiece.
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- body<->diagonal : #2456313 http://www.alpineastro.com/eyepiece_adapters/eyepiece_adapters.htm#Quick%20Change
--- problem with this one, is that I have ONLY #2456313, but on website you pointed, there seems to be another piece, I guess it is #2456320 but I'm not sure!
You need 2456313 the T-2 Quick Changer, this is what screws directly into the diagonal on the "eyepiece" side. The other dovetail piece, 2456320 or "Quick Change Ring", is a dovetail necessary to quickly change any other T-2 item to the diagonal in place of the binoviewers. If you do not want to "Quick Change" you can remove the 2456313 from the diagonal and screw the adapter directly into the diagonal. But then when putting binos back in you would need to add Quick Changer back onto diagonal. Much easier to keep Quick Changer on diagonal and install Quick Change Rings on everything you want to switch out, which would be binoviewers and eyepiece adapters - but that's expensive too! You do not have to have Quick Change Ring it just makes switching out easier.
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- clicklock 1.25" adapter: #2458100
--- allows to remove T2 changer and plug clicklock into diagonal then use it with a single regular 1.25" eyepiece ??
Yes except you screw the eyepiece adapter in, not plug it. Either unscrew Quick Changer and screw in eyepiece adapter, or you install Quick Change Ring onto eyepiece adapter and just interchange it with the binoviewer without having to remove the Quick Changer.
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- clicklock 2" adapter : #2956215 ?? or maybe also with part 2956247 ??(there seem to be more parts on http://agenaastro.com/baader-1-25-2-clicklock-expansion-adapter-clexa-2-2956215.html
--- allows using 2" eyepieces with prism #2456095 (*)
Yes part 2956215. When you remove the 1.25" nosepiece, the Clicklock eyepiece adapter has a T-2 thread underneath and can be screwed directly into the diagonal body, or you can add a Quick Change Ring to the 2" Clicklock eyepiece adapter for interchanging without removing Quick Changer from the diagonal. The reason for ordering the part with the 1.25" nosepiece that you do not need, is it is only Clicklock part that includes the "T-2 expansion ring" making it directly compatible with T-2 diagonal.
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But before I do that I would be really grateful if you could check if I should order some other part, like for example #2956247 or #2456320, or maybe some other complementary part for the clicklocks...
No, the 2956215 is your best bet if you want a 2" eyepiece adapter. You will end up with an extra 1.25" nosepiece but its cheaper overall because 2956215 has the "T-2 expansion ring" inside which cost $28 on its own. (If you get the 2" Clicklock eyepiece adapter without the expansion ring it will not be T-2 compatible). However you do not really need a 2" eyepiece adapter for binoviewing with the Mark V, since Mark V attaches directly to the diagonal.
Good luck Janek let us know if you have any more questions. Once you get a few basic parts it will all become clear.
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203413 - 05/03/12 09:53 AM
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Great! Thanks for your help!
I add #2956215 to my order, so now my order is:
- barlow 1.25 #2456314Z (11b in that .pdf)
- barlow 1.7 #2456316Z (11b in that .pdf)
- diagonal #2456095 (11d in that .pdf)
- 2" clicklock eypiece adapter #2956215
While I already have (and it works):
- Mark V body
- 1.25" eypiece adapter
- ring which allows plugging one into another.
Thanks a lot!
And of course I will let you know how it works 
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203426 - 05/03/12 10:02 AM
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OK, guys. I placed my order. Let us wait now. I would rather not change this order now 
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203663 - 05/03/12 12:12 PM
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Janek did you get a 2" nosepiece for the diagonal? You can use the 1.25" nosepiece from the Expansion Clicklock but it would be better to have a 2" nosepiece.
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203675 - 05/03/12 12:17 PM
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Yes, I ordered the #2956215 piece. I just forgot to say it's name "clicklock". But number is correct, I hope
I've sent another email to reseller telling "clicklock" in its name.
I hope it's all correct?
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203693 - 05/03/12 12:25 PM
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aah. I get it. There is a nosepiece necessary also! Hm. That is an ordinary piece right? Just like that 1.25" nose piece which I got from the filter wheel.
I suppose that I don't need to order that from Baader. In that case it's not a problem. I just get it from my friend's astro shop.
In fact I buy it all from my friend's shop, but he has not established relations with Baader, this is why us both need to work out what we really need to buy (for me).
EDIT: Johny, could you post a photo of those parts, that we are talking about? Not assembled together, but lying next to each other...
perhaps I am too fast.
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Well I'm not so sure Janek, the nosepiece has to have T threads so it can screw into the diagonal. Thats why you need the Baader one. The nosepiece that comes with the Expansion Clicklock for instance will screw into the T-2 diagonal because it is a T-2 nosepiece.
Give me a few minutes I'll get a photo. OK Here's #1...
You see Mark V-1.25X Glasspath Corrector-Quick Changer-T-2 diagonal-T2 nosepiece. Above the Mark V you see the 2" Clicklock eyepiece adapter and a spare 1.25" clicklock.
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203767 - 05/03/12 01:10 PM
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ok... can you please help me find the part number? http://www.baader-planetarium.de/sektion/baa-zub_sektion_eng.pdf
I feel a bit lost now 
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203772 - 05/03/12 01:11 PM
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hey, but part 2956215 is called "ClickLock Expansion-Adapter from 1¼" (and/or T-2 photo-thread) to 2" ".
I have ordered this one. But you mean another one?? Or I'm totally lost.
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203788 - 05/03/12 01:21 PM
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hey, but part 2956215 is called "ClickLock Expansion-Adapter from 1¼" (and/or T-2 photo-thread) to 2" ".
I have ordered this one. But you mean another one?? Or I'm totally lost.
That is correct, that will give you tour 2" eyepiece adapter and an extra 1.25" nosepiece.
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ok... can you please help me find the part number? http://www.baader-planetarium.de/sektion/baa-zub_sektion_eng.pdf
I feel a bit lost now
2408150 part #16 2"/T2 nosepiece
Hold off a second and let me see if I can find a nosepiece that has a beveled edge where it screws into the diagonal, that's what comes with the bino package. The T-2 #16 will work fine however. Check this photo this is the T-2 diiagonal with the Quick Changer and the nosepiece. This is ready to accept the binoviewer.
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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So here's the binoviewer ready to put in your telescope.
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Re: Baader Planetarium Mark V: how many pieces?
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#5203805 - 05/03/12 01:28 PM
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Wheew. I made this picture anyway:
There I numbered all parts.
Questions:
- does 5) come together with 6) ?
- what is 7) ?
- is 2) a barlow ?
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