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jimmyzdc
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Baader ClickLock for LargeSCT(3.25") Availiability
#5249058 - 05/31/12 03:12 PM

Hey guys, I've owned my CPC1100 for a couple years now and just recently got back into using it. Had a new baby not too long after I got it so was just to tired to use it much. Now that I'm getting my un-interrupted sleep back I'm more willing to spend late nights out stargazing.

My scope is completely stock and I'm looking in to purchasing some 3rd party items to improve. After much trolling My first step is to ditch the 1.25" eyepeices that came with the scope and Celestron EP kit and go with much better stuff. I'm getting ready to order a WO 2" Durabright Diag. to accomodate some new EPs. I was looking at the Baader P. ClickLock to help me attach it to my scope securely with the heavy 2" EPs. So it seems there are 2 routes I could take.

1. Use the Baader ClickLock for Large SCT (3.25" thread) directly on to the scope
2. Use the 3.25->2" adapter that came with the CPC1100 and get the Baader ClickLock 2" for SCT

Now I've read a couple posts and most people seem to say pay the extra $20 and go with option 1 as I will get the full 2" FOV.

Now here is the problem. Everywhere I look it seems as the option 1 is backordered or Out of Stock. Option 2 is In stock everywhere. Any one know what is going on with the Large SCT version? Should I just settle for the standard 2"? Would the difference be noticeable?

Thanks!

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mgwhittle
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[Re: jimmyzdc]
#5249098 - 05/31/12 03:34 PM

Telescopes.com and possibly Adorama have the large in stock at this moment.

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jimmyzdc
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#5249103 - 05/31/12 03:37 PM

I checked telescopes.com and it shows like a 3 week lead time just to chip and said i wont get it until june 27th. Seems like they are order from BP when they get orders hence the long lead time. But I will will email them to double check.

Didnt even realize Adorama sold them. I will send an email to confirm as well.

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#5249141 - 05/31/12 04:04 PM

If you really want to do this and cannot find the large Clicklock, there is always Option #3:

Get the Astro-Physics Large SCT Adapter (ADASCTLC). Translation: (Adapter, SCT, Large, Celestron).

http://www.astro-physics.com/

This is the link to the A-P website. The adapter is $60.00 and it works great. I used one of these for years until Baader came out with the Clicklock.

Cheers,

Ron

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[Re: RAKing]
#5249163 - 05/31/12 04:24 PM

I know this set up is not what you're after but I went with option #4: Crayford focuser for the 3.25" visual back

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[Re: Gastrol]
#5249197 - 05/31/12 04:43 PM

Don't go for #2 if you want to do any wide field viewing as the visual back that came with my C11 has only 1.5" aperture

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jimmyzdc
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#5249263 - 05/31/12 05:25 PM

Thanks guys for the quick replies. I shot out some emails to check stock on a couple sites. We'll see what I get back. I think option #2 is for sure out since it looks like I can go a couple different ways.

Gastrol, since you mention a focuser I did notice a lot of setups with different types of focusers. I'm still much of a newbie to all the extras on scopes. Can you explain to me what a focuser gives me over the stock focus adjustment on my scope? Maybe its something I could do now instead of down the road and would elminate my need to track down the large clicklock.

Thanks!

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#5249310 - 05/31/12 05:50 PM

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Can you explain to me what a focuser gives me over the stock focus adjustment on my scope?

The crayford focuser does two things for me.....eliminates image shift when focusing, common in large SCT's, and also gives me the ability to fine focus using the fine focus knob.
I have the SI Feathertouch short profile on the way coming from Astronomics.

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#5249384 - 05/31/12 06:44 PM

In terms of taking up the least back focus and being able to clear the base of the CPC, the shortest (and best) crayford I'm aware of is the Starlight Instruments feathertouch with 0.8 inch travel; after it's screwed on it adds 68mm from the flat part of the rear cell (not measured from the threaded section). I used one on my previous C11 and now on my Meade 12"; it's much quicker and more accurate than the main focuser.

Tony

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[Re: jimmyzdc]
#5249503 - 05/31/12 08:25 PM

1 is ok at telescopes.com, and usually for me, the delays have been shorter than expected.

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PatHolland
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#5249804 - 05/31/12 11:59 PM

My experience has been the same as yours with Telescopes.com. Often the website will report 3-4 weeks for delivery estimate when I order but I'll usually get my item within a week or so.

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jimmyzdc
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#5249823 - 06/01/12 12:15 AM

Hayneedle/Telescopes.com got back to me and they said the delay is because the product is backordered. Still waiting to hear back from a couple other vendors. In the mean time I've order the 2" WO Durabright so I atleast finally pulled the trigger on something lol.

Any of you guys tried the Starlight FeatherTouch SCT MicroFocuser?

http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=178-8939

Seems kind of nice to elminate the bulk coming out the back of the scope. Pros or Cons to using a traditional focuser?

Edited by jimmyzdc (06/01/12 12:18 AM)

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#5249850 - 06/01/12 12:46 AM

Jimmy,

The SCT microfocuser gives you a fine focusing capability and usually improves image shift. I have one of both of my SCTs.

An external focuser gives you fine focusing and eliminates image shift. On the other hand it also extends the focal length, adds weight, and can sometimes cause interference with the fork base. The increased focal length can be an issue if you are imaging (some scopes won't have enough focus travel when focal reducers are moved back more than a few inches). Since the focuser introduces a 2" barrel attachment you have the good and bad issue of accessory capability (good if you already have 2" accessories, bad if you have SCT threaded accessories). This difference isn't a huge deal since you can add an adapter to provide that threaded attachment point ... but every adapter also adds to the focal length.

I also have an external focuser (attached via the 3.29" threads) on my C11. It's a nice addition and gives me the option of adding a motorized focusing capability. If I had to choose only one it would probably be the SCT microfocuser. It's something that I would use all the time and it doesn't introduce other less desirable (for me) features. If I was a serious imager I would probably reverse that choice.

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#5250044 - 06/01/12 07:11 AM

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Jimmy,

The SCT microfocuser gives you a fine focusing capability and usually improves image shift. I have one of both of my SCTs.

An external focuser gives you fine focusing and eliminates image shift. On the other hand it also extends the focal length, adds weight, and can sometimes cause interference with the fork base. The increased focal length can be an issue if you are imaging (some scopes won't have enough focus travel when focal reducers are moved back more than a few inches). Since the focuser introduces a 2" barrel attachment you have the good and bad issue of accessory capability (good if you already have 2" accessories, bad if you have SCT threaded accessories). This difference isn't a huge deal since you can add an adapter to provide that threaded attachment point ... but every adapter also adds to the focal length.

I also have an external focuser (attached via the 3.29" threads) on my C11. It's a nice addition and gives me the option of adding a motorized focusing capability. If I had to choose only one it would probably be the SCT microfocuser. It's something that I would use all the time and it doesn't introduce other less desirable (for me) features. If I was a serious imager I would probably reverse that choice.

Ditto!

I also have both FT internal and external focusers - along with the A-P visual back I mentioned earlier plus another A-P 2.7 inch visual back for the C11. Most of us tend to collect these extra adapters over time and use them as the mood (and need) dictates.

Cheers,

Ron

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[Re: RAKing]
#5250632 - 06/01/12 03:01 PM

Ok cool...I think I'll start with the microfocuser as I do want to do some basic imaging but maybe not get to crazy with it for a bit. Just want to get my feet wet so to speak.

I checked out the Starlight MF instructions last night and looks like a fairly easy mod.

Also, Adorama just got back to me on the BP Large SCT clicklock. Out of Stock and backordered until 7/5 per the manufacturer. Guess I'm running out of options on getting this guy quickly.

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#5254954 - 06/04/12 04:32 PM

Ok little update. I received my WO 2" DuraBright Diag. from Agena Astro. This thing is beautiful! Also, Agena Astro is great! Shipping it fast and since they are in So Cal just like me the free shipping got my stuff in 2 days.

I just ordered some basic AP stuff (reducer, T-ring, T-adaptor) to get my feet wet. So that stuff should get to me this week as well. Hopefully the skies clear up as we've been getting marine layer/fog at dusk for the past 4 days or so.

Last thing I need to decide is the click lock or focuser. I thought I decided on the micro-focuser but I have been in contact with Wayne over at Starlight to help me understand what I would need in terms of adapters. I might just go ahead and spring for the full focuser since the price is so close. Seems like I would get more for not much more money. Thoughts?

Microfocuser+ClickLock -> $360
Focuser+LargeSCT Adapter -> $415

Jaime

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Eric Gage
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[Re: jimmyzdc]
#5254961 - 06/04/12 04:37 PM

Much love for Agena Astro for all things Baader. I got my Herchel wedge from them.

Edited by Eric Gage (06/04/12 04:38 PM)

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#5254996 - 06/04/12 04:59 PM

You can save yourself a few bucks by ordering your focuser from Astronomics. That's what I did.

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#5255564 - 06/05/12 01:02 AM

Yup. I have both the 3.25" clicklock and external feathertouch off my HD11. I hardly ever use them anymore. They don't do much for me while imaging or mallincaming with a ceratin FR and that particular scope.

Hows the visuals out there in the city?

Quote:

Ditto!

Most of us tend to collect these extra adapters over time and use them as the mood (and need) dictates.

Cheers,

Ron

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Re: Baader ClickLock for LargeSCT(3.25") Availiability [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
#5260162 - 06/07/12 01:29 PM

So this week I got my T-adapter/t-ring/Celestron FR. Hooked them all up to the scope and got my feet wet. Boy I'm hooked now. Took my first AP shots of the moon, Hercules Cluster, Ring Nebula, and Saturn.

I've got to learn the software side now as well to make my shots better but I was surprised how well a single 15-20 sec exposure can look of those objects especially in my red-zoned area. Now with just those pieces attached when I shot the Hercules Cluster directly over head I had a very small amount of room between the base of my fork mount and the back of the camera.

Going with the focuser I'm going to need to integrate my WO Diag. so my camera doesnt bang into the fork. So I'm thinking this will be my order of parts on the business end.

Large SCT Opening -> Starlight Inst. A20-212 -> Starlight Inst FTF2015BCR -> WO 2" DuraBright Diag. -> Starlight Inst. EA20-2.24 -> Celestron FR -> Celestron T-Adapter -> Celestron T-Ring -> DSLR

Man... that's a lot of stuff. Does this sound right? Also because my shots of Saturn were so far away because I was using prime focus (?) I want to pick up a PowerMate or two to help get much more detail in my shots. How would I integrate that in? I believe there is a PowerMate t-Ring adapter but I'm not sure how I would connect it with all the parts I have now.

Jaime

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