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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5262761 - 06/09/12 01:14 AM

I myself find celebrity endorsements annoying and ridiculous. Most but not all have little or no connection with the product itself. It just raises the cost. If the product is that good it will sell itself. Mike

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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: mikey cee]
      #5262771 - 06/09/12 01:26 AM

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Perhaps, but it was a matter of personal integrity.


I tend to agree whole heartedly. Seems like they were catering to the sophomoric Animal House crowd....and I'm as straight as an arrow too! Mike




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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: mikey cee]
      #5262822 - 06/09/12 02:50 AM

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I myself find celebrity endorsements annoying and ridiculous. Most but not all have little or no connection with the product itself. It just raises the cost. If the product is that good it will sell itself. Mike



I agree with you that a good product will sell itself, However to whom does it sell? A select few? as a buisness owner for the past 20 some years I know that marketing can keep a buisness afloat or sink you.
At the time of these ads. the space race was losing intrest with the public and I think they were trying to keep a larger client base. If they hadn't gone the direction the went would Celestron still be around?
Just my point of view not trying to be argumentive Mike


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: Al8236]
      #5262942 - 06/09/12 06:51 AM



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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: Awesomelenny]
      #5263059 - 06/09/12 09:16 AM

The ads are "classics" in and of themselves. I did a program at one of our club meetings once on "Classic Telescope" ads from the past. I believe the Leonard Nimoy/Celestron ad was one of them. The well nourished and weirdly dressed "Women of Cave" was another. Other ads included, I think several from Unitron - telescope box under a Christmas tree with a bow, Hugh "Hefnerish" college frat boy with a turtle neck sweater carrying a telescope case in one hand and a lit cigarette in the other hand, etc. One of the funniest ones was a guy dressed like a World War I aviator posing with telescopes like they were planes on a flight line.

Personally I will take a funny ad or one with a pretty girl in it anytime, but a good ad is a good ad. One of my favorites, and I think those that remember it will agree that the Meade ad from the late 70's to early 80's that showed virtually their entire collection of products laid out on the floor was a great one. The 4" Meade refractor was also featured in that one.

Barry Simon


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5263066 - 06/09/12 09:26 AM

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Personally, I was sufficiently put off by the ads at the time that I changed my plans to purchase a C11, and instead obtained a Meade 2120... I know of others who responded in similar fashion.




Not many. Not many male astronomers, anyway.

Seriously, the ads were a part of their time, where sex was used to sell everything from toothpaste to auto parts to, well, telescopes. Celestron wisely moved on, which the feminist in me applauds and the caveman in me regrets.

You shoulda got the C11.


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: rmollise]
      #5263084 - 06/09/12 09:38 AM

I use that old Celestron add pic as wallpaper on my cell phone. Finally I know who she is. Thanks

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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: desertrefugee]
      #5263090 - 06/09/12 09:44 AM

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Perhaps, but it was a matter of personal integrity.




Give me a break.




Break given... take all you want!


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I suppose you'd have been similarly put off had the campaign featured young men instead?




Possibly, if they'd appeared to have stepped out of GQ, and had most likely never encountered a telescope before in their lives.

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The ads were tastefully done and, in no way, crossed the line of decorum - except perhaps for the overly sensitive.




It's not a matter of decorum or taste, but of objective. Amateur astronomy in that era was almost universally a male pursuit. The overt implication seems fairly obvious to me... then again, perhaps I'm overly sensitive.


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5263094 - 06/09/12 09:50 AM

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(snip)So I ask those that have a problem with pretty girls hawking products, did you feel the same way about the Celestron advertisement featuring Leonard Nimoy standing with a Celestron C-8, stating that when he wants to see the "real universe", he uses a Celestron.(snip)




Very much so. I and many others of my acquaintance at the time thought it ludicrous. Unless one happened to be a enthusiastic "Trekkie", I couldn't see it being an inducement to purchase a C8 - just the opposite, I believe.


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: Ducky62]
      #5263247 - 06/09/12 11:41 AM

Interesting thought... "What kind of a person should we have standing next to our telescope in our advertisements? A nerd? A macho guy? A scientist in a white coat? A pretty girl? A nerdy girl? A racial minority?" Personally, I can't imagine boycotting a company simply because they use a pretty girl in an advertisement... If there was ever a telescope ad that came near offending me, it was one that showed a nerdy guy looking into a telescope literally wide-eyed with his mouth hanging open like a fish. It just seemed kinda dumb... I can't remember whose ad it was, but I don't feel it would have turned me against the product.

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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: mikey cee]
      #5263328 - 06/09/12 12:31 PM

NO product ever sold itself.

If people don't know about a product they won't buy it.

If no one tells them it exists or where to buy it ,they won't!

If you make the next greatest advance in mousetraps or telescopes but don't spread the word ,it will languish in your shop or basement,forgotten .

Marketing and salesmen exist because both have proven to be necessary and often effective,else businesses would long ago have dispensed with both.

Think of the products use use everyday that are nonetheless advertised ,often by use of attractive women and celebrities.Are you willing to forego use of those products from some sense of indignation?

I don't believe there is a car company in existence that doesn't use those sales techniques so best give up cars(and planes,and how many other things?)


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BigC]
      #5263728 - 06/09/12 05:18 PM

I was illustrating the absurd by being somewhat absurd. I realize advertizing is needed. That's how I bought my Jaegers and Istar objectives. I buy many, many products that I'm made aware of by advertizing. But it's not the airhead in the ad that does it.....nor the guys in the white lab coats. Maybe it works on the gullible public en masse but some of us don't feel the necessitty to be "sold" bottled water! Mike

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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: mikey cee]
      #5264249 - 06/10/12 01:54 AM

If I buy water in a bottle it has something mixed in it!!

I would never have dreamed people would be spending Billion$ on little bottles of plain water.


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BigC]
      #5264335 - 06/10/12 06:19 AM

I just think they were targeting people who never had a telescope or an interest in astronomy.
And if it gets scopes in the hands of the un informed, then perhaps it started a new group of amateur astronomers.
But.......that was then.....could you imagine a similiar add intodays world.???
Lady Gaga?? or bikini girl? lol


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BigC]
      #5264404 - 06/10/12 08:48 AM

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Think of the products use use everyday that are nonetheless advertised ,often by use of attractive women and celebrities.Are you willing to forego use of those products from some sense of indignation?





I realize that I'm probably the exception, but yes, I try to avoid when possible those products whose advertisements rely upon either celebrity endorsements (the cost of which is added into the product's price, however minute) or pretty faces/bodies... and that's not a reflection on anyone who chooses to do otherwise, it's just how I roll.

Honest, straightforward advertising that forgoes the above is what I like to see, and I make every effort to patronize those businesses whose appeal is to reason along with, or better yet instead of, one's limbic system.


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If I buy water in a bottle it has something mixed in it!!

I would never have dreamed people would be spending Billion$ on little bottles of plain water.





You and me both!


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5264723 - 06/10/12 01:19 PM

So you prefer advertising that panders to rationality. Alas, a very small market that.

But I see nothing wrong with Celestron trying to grow the market and increase the size of the amateur astronomy community with the message that astronomy is fun. The orange tubes and the young women depicted using telescopes convey a markedly different view of the hobby. It's not boring old science, it's FUN.

By the way, there's a difference between a model who seems to be using a telescope and one who is merely in the same frame, or presenting the telescope to the audience. It's sometimes difficult for those of us with a Y chromosome to think that an ad showing a female model using a telescope isn't entirely for our benefit. I have no proof, but I suspect that at least part of the rationale was that it might encourage women to consider amateur astronomy.

Geoff


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BarrySimon615]
      #5266490 - 06/11/12 02:53 PM

Not to mention that, as a Vulcan, he cannot lie.

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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: BigC]
      #5266502 - 06/11/12 02:59 PM

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If I buy water in a bottle it has something mixed in it!!

I would never have dreamed people would be spending Billion$ on little bottles of plain water.




Guess you haven't seen those Oxygen Bars popping up around the country?


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... new [Re: barasits]
      #5266521 - 06/11/12 03:08 PM

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So you prefer advertising that panders to rationality. Alas, a very small market that.

But I see nothing wrong with Celestron trying to grow the market and increase the size of the amateur astronomy community with the message that astronomy is fun. The orange tubes and the young women depicted using telescopes convey a markedly different view of the hobby. It's not boring old science, it's FUN.

By the way, there's a difference between a model who seems to be using a telescope and one who is merely in the same frame, or presenting the telescope to the audience. It's sometimes difficult for those of us with a Y chromosome to think that an ad showing a female model using a telescope isn't entirely for our benefit. I have no proof, but I suspect that at least part of the rationale was that it might encourage women to consider amateur astronomy.

Geoff



Geoff I fully agree, we have to remember the era that these were being made. The 80's was a time with a very big push for equal pay equal rights for women. More women were entering the male dominated professional work field, Celestron saw this. I feel the model pictured were picked not just based on physical beauty, but a model of the new wave of young professional beautiful women. i enjoyed those ads much more then the old fashioned stuffy Meade ads of the elder male in a white lab coat....


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Re: What ever became of this true classic......... [Re: bob midiri]
      #5266962 - 06/11/12 07:29 PM

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the old fashioned stuffy Meade ads of the elder male in a white lab coat




That was Brian Holdcroft. Brian was an employee, not a model.

-Tim


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