don clement
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A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
#5254135 - 06/04/12 12:32 AM
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Here is a much improved tripod I built for a Celestron CG5 equatorial mount. IMO the main weakness of the CG5 tripod was mainly due to the extruded aluminum U channel legs with an open structure and that the tripod had only three members. A six member tripod is much more rigid. Many
years ago I built a tripod using six 36" long closed structure tubular rod members with tapered ends that had been gotten at an aircraft surplus. The six member tripod was vastly superior in rigidity and strangely enough didn't appear to weigh any more than the wobbly
three legged tripod. Here is a picture of the six member tripod:
At one end of each of the six rods that make up the tripod
is a spherical rod end so each of the three legs, consisting of two rods, can
articulate about the top triangular plate. Shown here is a top view of the tripod:
Notice the aluminum cylinder protruding
below the triangular top plate the purpose of which is for preloading each of
the three legs using stranded wire cables connecting each leg as shown here:
To breakdown the tripod for
transport one unhooks the wires from two of the legs and pivots the legs around
the triangular top plate so the legs fold into a nice compact package. Here is
a picture of the inverted tripod not quite totally collapsed:
and
a flattened view:
I still use the tripod for a counterbalanced parallel arm mount I
made to hold a pair of 11x80 binoculars and didn't want to modify the tripod so that it could not be used for holding binoculars. The solution was to make an
adapter plate that bolts into three tapped 1/4-20UN holes (made using a hand drill)in the tripod that
were the only modification. The adapter plate was made using a lathe and holes machined using a mill with rotary table from a scrap piece of 3/4" thick 6" diameter 6061-T6 aluminum round I had. The only modification to the equatorial head was to tap
three 10-32UN holes using the rotary table on the mill in the base as shown here:
Here are top and bottom views of the finished 6" diameter adapter plate:
Here is a picture of the adapter plate bolted to the equatorial mount head:
Shown here is a picture of the equatorial head with adapter plate on the tripod:
The beauty is that all of the functions of the equatorial head are retained such as fine polar alignment adjustments. The new mount is way more rigid than with the stock tripod. I am now more ready for the upcoming transit and hope to get a few photos and movies of Venus transiting across the sun. Here is a picture of my setup for viewing the upcoming transit that consists of a CG5 mount on new tripod, 5" F10 Max Bray Mak-Cass scope with full aperture Baader filter:
Don
Edited by don clement (06/04/12 12:34 PM)
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5254756 - 06/04/12 02:05 PM
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That's very neat Don. What you came up with looks to be perfect for that scope and GEM.
At one point I had one of those extruded aluminum CG5 tripods you speak of, and I totally agree that it is too flimsy.
The Advanced GT tripod has been a lot better, but I still use the beefier spreader from the Celestron Heavy Duty fork mount type tripod that I also have. lol
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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Very neat project. I find that almost every commercial tripod I have bought with a scope over the past few decades was lacking in rigidity and I had to make one that was more solid.
Most recently a Celestron SLT.
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5255640 - 06/05/12 03:28 AM
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Wow, Don! Very innovative tripod design you have there -- thanks for sharing! Dave O
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5255675 - 06/05/12 05:22 AM
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Nice looking design. Those aluminum tripods were pretty horrid, weren't they? I suffered through one with a CG5 mount but ended up replacing it before too long. Why they included such a weak tripod with a decent eq head is beyond me... well, okay, I know why they included it, to save a few buck, but, still....
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don clement
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5259335 - 06/07/12 01:15 AM
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The tripod was even more rigid than I had first thought. When photographing and viewing the transit yesterday, I found myself steadying my body against the tripod with no noticeable image shift or vibration transferred. I have seen and used a lot of commercial tripods and this one is the most rigid for the weight of any I have seen or used. My belief is that part of the reason for the rigidity is the closed tapered rods used and the direct line of forces to keep each rod member in tension/ compression with as little bending forces on the rods as possible. I am thinking now of replacing the Houston Peerless tripod I currently use to support a single arm equatorial mount I built supporting a C14 with a similar but even beefier tripod design. I plan to make rod of larger diameter with a tapered closed ends. (still trying to figure how to fabricate the closed tapered ends). Also thinking that rods with closed tapered ends would make excellent truss members for a Dob. BTW here is a photo of the transit shot yesterday with the tripod, 5" F10 Mak-Cass scope,5" Baader filter, Canon T3i camera @prime focus 1/1000sec ISO 200
Don
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5259395 - 06/07/12 02:32 AM
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it looks quite similar to the Rob Miller tripods... http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=2685
now if this could be commercialized at a lower price than those... (even if not quite as handsome)
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don clement
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5259847 - 06/07/12 11:00 AM
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it looks quite similar to the Rob Miller tripods... http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=2685
now if this could be commercialized at a lower price than those... (even if not quite as handsome)
Looks similar …but not the same. I’ll leave the differences to the reader to figure out. If you’re primary interest is commercialization and how to make the cheapest product, then the original CG5 tripod is for you. For me: I am an ATM, or as Russell W. Porter puts it a TN at heart. Don
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5260589 - 06/07/12 06:17 PM
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Later CG5 tripods were tubular steel legs, can't think of the diameter off the top of my head but they are pretty decent.
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5261009 - 06/07/12 10:42 PM
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I believe it's the same tripod as the one in this photo. I used to have one of those, and it was terrible. lol
http://www.kendauzat.net/other/binomountl.jpg
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don clement
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5261126 - 06/07/12 11:33 PM
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Getting back to the ATM DIY on topic discussion, here is a great article for those of you considering designing your own tripod or truss:
"Structural Considerations for Telescope Makers," by John Brooks, in the June, 1976, Gleanings for ATM's in Sky & Telescope (pages 423-428).
Also I think I figured out how to make the tapered ends with stock aluminum tubing. Going to use a scissor type knurling tool but with smooth knurls. I can fit 1.5” diameter stock through my lathe headstock so doing this on my lathe is doable and similar to knurling. If the stock is larger than 1.5” diameter then a hand type scissor knurling tool should work. With the performance of this tripod I am convinced that tapered end round tubing is the way to go for tripod and truss members.
Don
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5261182 - 06/08/12 12:21 AM
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nice tripod Don! all it needs now is a paint job.
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don clement
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#5261740 - 06/08/12 11:17 AM
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nice tripod Don! all it needs now is a paint job.
The green zinc chromate paint job has endured for many decades. Actually I plan to paint it. I have to decide which primer is best for aluminum. I have two kinds: A Dupont Variprime 615S zinc chromate which is very nasty stuff and a can of Rust-oleum self etching primer. I just tried the Rust-Oleum on the sharp V threaded insides of an adapter I just turned from 6061-T6 aluminum followed by Krylon ulta-flat black. it seems to be OK but only time will tell if it adheres well.
Don
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5264582 - 06/10/12 11:27 AM
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The Advanced series CG-5s come on a 2" steel tubed tripod which is a huge improvement over the aluminum legs on the older series. This 2" tripod is essentially the same as what comes under the heavier CGEM and Atlas/EQ-6 (same legs, slightly different mounting point). It's also an improvement over the tripod under the Sirius/EQ-5 and SkyView Pro.
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#5264600 - 06/10/12 11:43 AM
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Don,
Please post the progress of your tapering experiments; I'd love to follow along. That could be a great innovation. You might want to experiment a little with annealing the tube ends--I can imagine them getting very brittle working them down to 1/2 D or more.
Ross
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Re: A much improved tripod for a CG5 equatorial mount
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#5264618 - 06/10/12 11:52 AM
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Hi Don,
Beautiful work on design and execution, but that's no surprise from you. I've had fun in the past forming things in the lathe with rolls. Be sure to put a nice radius on the leading edge of the rolls that are going in the knurling holder. They should be hard, and polished for the job. By the way, I think there's an interesting similarity in the design of the tripod, and your focusers.
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don clement
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#5266863 - 06/11/12 06:19 PM
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Don,
Please post the progress of your tapering experiments; I'd love to follow along. That could be a great innovation. You might want to experiment a little with annealing the tube ends--I can imagine them getting very brittle working them down to 1/2 D or more.
Ross
Ross,
I'll be sure to post results when I get them. Sometimes it’s about discovering innovations of the past and applying those to solving the specific problems at hand. Growing up in Southern California many years ago that was the Mecca of aerospace engineering and manufacturing and visiting the many surplus stores scattered all across the southland was like going on an archeological dig finding artifacts from a great inventive age. E.g. the tapered end aircraft control rods. My hope here is to learn how to re-make what has shown to be a superior way to make truss members.
Don Clement
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