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btschumy
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Fuji 25x150 Observing Report
      #5276989 - 06/18/12 11:44 AM

I just got back from 4 days at the Rocky Mountain Star Stare with the new (to me) Fuji 25x150s. I have a few comments about them, but the upshot is that I'm very pleased with their performance. Limiting magnitude there was about 6.5 so it was reasonably dark.

Observing:

I got to spend quite a bit of time scanning the summer Milky Way. By far the most impressive object was the the Lagoon Nebula (M8). The amount of nebulosity surrounding the cluster was jut amazing. Certainly more than I've seen in any other instruments I've owned.

Some objects were so bright they seemed "over exposed". This was true of the Swan Nebula (M17) and the the Wild Duck cluster (M11). At 25x they were smaller than I'm used to in a scope, but they were so bright that they didn't have the translucent look you get in scopes. They were almost solid white patches.

The Small Sagittarius Star Cloud (M24) was a huge swarm of pinpoints of light, backed by the unresolved glow from a multitude of fainter stars. The two dark nebulae B92 and B93 on the NW edge of the star cloud stood out with their inky blackness.

Another highlight was the Andromeda Galaxy (M31) and its companions. It was only about 25º up when I observed it but M31 filled the 2.7º FOV with a distinct dusk lane on its north west side. The companions stood out well and were obvious. This fine view was very memorable.

The Double Cluster was also a treat. This has always been one of my favorite objects with my TEC 180 refractor and a 35mm Panoptic eyepiece. The view in the Fuji's rivaled the TEC's view. The stars are a bit sharper in the TEC, but that is a very expensive APO. The binocular view made up for any small difference in sharpness.

While near the Double Cluster, I swung over to Stock 2, a large (~ 1º) open cluster to the north. The FOV in the Fuji's really framed this object well and the twin 6 inch objectives pulled in the faint stars for a memorable view. One other experienced observer with me said it was the best view of Stock 2 he'd ever seen.

Mechanics:

One concern I had was the stated minimum IPD of 60mm for the binocs. The minimum actually measures more like 58mm which is very close to my eye separation. As it turns out, the eyepieces close down just right for me. My preferred setting was actually about 1 mm larger than the minimum. The large eye lenses and the large exit pupil made eye placement fairly forgiving.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the eye relief was adequate for observing with glasses. I could see about 2.5 of the 2.7 FOV and that was just fine. My facial structure was also such that I had no problem with "nose relief" which I understand is a problem for some (similar to the Fuji 16x70s).

Another concern was whether this instrument would be good for public outreach, which I do a lot of. Although this star party was not a public event, there were quite a few people there that had obviously never look through a scope much. I got many comments from folks on how they much preferred the view through my binoculars. They said it was much easier to look with two eyes. In most cases I never changed the focus or IPD from around 60mm and the majority were able to enjoy the view just fine. Excellent!

The UA Sirius Mount worked very well. Even observing near zenith was fine for quick looks. On the Meade Giant Field Tripod, I was able to stand fully erect underneath the eyepieces when observing straight up. Motions were smooth and predictable.

The one problem was that the vertical "center of gravity" adjustment on the right angle bracket would slip a bit. If I tightened it enough to prevent slippage, then the altitude motion was too stiff. I contacted Larry at UA about it and it turns out Im missing a spring washer that goes under the tightening nut. He said it is not something I'll find locally so he is sending one out to me. Larry's support has been great during this project. He also had to make a new mounting post for me with the correct holes for the Meade GFT I have.

Cons:
I'm quite happy with the setup. The only thing I'll sort of miss is changing magnifications. 25X is a great overall compromise, but I occasionally wished for something to bump it up to 40x or so. It wouldn't surprise me if it were possible to manufacture an optical train to attach to the eyepieces that would double the power. Something to explore.

Bill


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edwincjones
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5277221 - 06/18/12 02:30 PM

I would think that it would be fairly easy to make an ep doubler that would screw into the fuji eps.

edj


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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5277279 - 06/18/12 03:07 PM

Bill

Does the "BT" in your name stand for Binocular Telescope?


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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5277484 - 06/18/12 05:50 PM

About that spring washer on the pitch axis : As you say, it must hold the pitch axis in the correct position in the slot, to keep the center of gravity centered on the pitch axis, for balance around that axis.

McMaster-Carr sell wave washers with three waves around the circle . They are very helpful to maintain balanced up-down position in the slot while simultaneoulsly giving correct rotation torque around the pitch axis.

Please tell us if that is what you receive. If something else, what?

Alignment of two magnification boosters attached to the eyepieces seems to be a very shaky opto- mechanical proposition.

Perhaps a monocular attachment , for occasional exploitaion of one of the ED objectives at higher than 25X?


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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: 18UCinVA]
      #5277990 - 06/18/12 11:15 PM

You see why I'm a rabid proselytizer for binoculars! While the numbers on improvement in signal to noise might not seem impressive, the quality of the view is most visibly improved.

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Andresin150
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5278737 - 06/19/12 12:18 PM

Congratulations Bill, It looks like you are enjoying your new binoculars!

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edwincjones
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5281288 - 06/20/12 08:29 PM

Bill, Andresin,

I would encourage you to view the Horsehead this fall.
Very small, but visible in 25x150s with very dark skies.
The 40x should be better.
The WOW factor is just seeing it in binoculars,
the actual view is just a little black smuge

edj


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btschumy
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5281501 - 06/20/12 10:59 PM

Edj,

I will certainly give it a try. Did you see it unfiltered?

Bill


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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5281823 - 06/21/12 06:03 AM

what a super site to use those binos. M8 must indeed have been spectacular in such a large pair of binos. M31 probably didn't all fit in the FOV I presume?

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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: RichD]
      #5281840 - 06/21/12 06:40 AM

This report covers some of my favorites destinations above. The descriptions are powerful.

My first annual glimpse of the Lagoon Nebula was exactly 11 nights ago. My observing note reads "Yeah!" Here the Lagoon Nebula rises just high enough above the light pollution to present some of its glowing majesty. I am drawn to it like a moth to light.

The largest binocular I have ever looked through is my Oberwerk 20x80 Standard. I almost can't comprehend the size of this 25x150 (and its mount). The local Scope City doesn't have one on display. However, I did see a Celestron 25x100 on display about 6-1/2 years ago. Excuse me: I groaned.



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kcolter
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #5281872 - 06/21/12 07:52 AM

Rich
You are correct that M31 will not fit in the FOV of the 25X150 in its entirety. It is still a lovely sight, as are some of the other large Messier galaxies such as M101, M51, M81/82, M33. I had hoped that the big Fuji would give a lovely view of the Markarian chain but have to say that the Markarian chain is better in a telescope, as are things like the Coma Cluster.


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Andresin150
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5282164 - 06/21/12 11:57 AM

Yes Edwin, The HH is in my near plans!
I'm going back to La Tatacoa in a month for a 3 night Starparty. Orion will be showing itself at 4:00 am, so I guess I'll have to plan it carefully to observe it at least one night.


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edwincjones
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5282485 - 06/21/12 03:55 PM

Quote:

Edj,

I will certainly give it a try. Did you see it unfiltered?

Bill




yes-unfiltered


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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5285020 - 06/23/12 10:32 AM

Bill

Glad the ergonomics worked out...enjoy



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Andresin150
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5288113 - 06/25/12 09:47 AM

Finally I installed a GLP to my Starchair. I just bought a laser bracket, did a small modification to the base, added some double sided tape and attached it below the plate that supports the binoculars.
That allowed me to finally recognize the exact position of a beautiful object that puzzled me for days... mainly because it does not appear in Stellarium, which I use the most because I have it in my phone, so when I was sure of its position, then I identified it in my Uranometria. The object: NGC 6441. This Globular Cluster, at 40x, has some yellow color, and sometimes looks like a very bright but small galaxy.
Surprisingly, in the 25x150s, the apparent scale didn't change much and the image gained a lot more of background stars due the larger FOV. This GC is very beautiful,like a yellowish cotton speck floating in a vast sea of stars.


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btschumy
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5288296 - 06/25/12 11:33 AM

Andres,

You really need to get SkySafari on your phone. The Plus and Pro versions will have all those pesky little NGC/IC objects that Stellarium leaves out.

Pretty sure I looked at NGC 6441 last week while at my star party. I explored the area around M7 pretty thoroughly.

If you did see NGC 6441 there should have been a 3rd magnitude orangish star immediately next to it (4 arcmin away). Since you didn't mention it, I wonder if you really have the correct object.

Bill


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Andresin150
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5288381 - 06/25/12 12:59 PM

Yes, the star was immediately there, I was just intrigued by that specific object and with the laser it was now easy to get an exact position and then check in the Uranometria.
I will be downloading SkySafari in a minute! Thank you very much Bill.


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Andresin150
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5288467 - 06/25/12 01:52 PM

Bill, SkySafari plus is my first not free astronomy program. Its amazing! thank you. A well worth investment

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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: btschumy]
      #5289748 - 06/26/12 09:12 AM

Quote:


Cons:
I'm quite happy with the setup. The only thing I'll sort of miss is changing magnifications. 25X is a great overall compromise, but I occasionally wished for something to bump it up to 40x or so.
Bill




I always joked that my Fujis were a one trick pony...but its a hell of a trick.



I think the perfect magnification for the Fuji 150s would be 30x....still gives you an ample 5mm exit pupil for bright, contrasty fields and a slightly bigger image scale. I always felt that 25x was a bit low to see detail and 40x would be a bit high for the 66 degree afov.

Edited by Mr. Bill (06/26/12 09:25 AM)


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Andresin150
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Re: Fuji 25x150 Observing Report new [Re: Mr. Bill]
      #5289942 - 06/26/12 11:09 AM

The AFOV in both is the same, in fact, the 40x has 0.5 more at 68. While using them is hard to notice the difference.
The transmission is so good that at 40x you do not feel at all that the image has degraded in luminosity. In a mag 6 sky, depending on the zone you are looking at, the sky still glows, very strange to see it pitch black.
That always made me presume they can easily go up to 60x.
Besides the fact that binoculars are for large FOVs, (and I wouldn't want to go beyond that, if so simply pull out a telescope), I guess it is like with the 22x60 Taks, a 2.7 exit pupil may seem to short for a regular binocular, but with those quality optics you can go a bit further.
The only thing that the 25x excel over the 40x is that the 25x are more comfortable due the bigger EP and the longer ER, because of their fat EPs.
Image in the 25xED is better to the edge than in the 25xMT, but in the 60% from the center is virtually equal, with better color correction in the EDs that only really counts in daytime observation. Image in the 40x is superior, pinpoint stars almost to the very edge. Color correction is as excellent, just not as forgiving due eye placement because of the smaller exit pupil.
I prefer almost always to use the 40x, but there are certain objects in which I choose the 25x. For example, the Pleiads are better in 25x.


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