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mega256
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363294 - 08/11/12 12:43 PM

John
Alot of us have the SDC435 and use a 5 button cabled hand
controll to replace the 5 buttons on the back of the camera.
Info is locatted in the Samsung threads..
This just makes it faster and easyer to punch the buttons.
Basicaly its 5 buttons in a small box with a 6 wire cable that the wires attach to each ofthe 5 buttons and ground.

Im going to give this a try...OSD cable

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290754079840&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160

Edited by mega256 (08/11/12 01:03 PM)


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John59
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363297 - 08/11/12 12:44 PM Attachment (111 downloads)

Had a great night last night. Two other members of the club now have the small version and we set up one of those last night.
last night I placed my camera in my 152mm ES refractor and in the piggyback 80mm refractor. The results are posted in this and following posts.
Please keep in mind these are photos taken with my iphone of a display screen. So the lines you see are not present and the live view is much sharper and colorful.
There is no post processing or stacking of any kind.
Everyone was taken back with the ability of this camera. Some of the die hards are not considering a purchase.
I will post all my settings later today as I now feel confident with the settings being repeatable.
Here is the lagoon in the 152mm refractor

Edited by John59 (08/11/12 12:53 PM)


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John59
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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363300 - 08/11/12 12:46 PM Attachment (125 downloads)

Lagoon in the 80mm

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363301 - 08/11/12 12:46 PM Attachment (97 downloads)

swan in the 152mm

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363302 - 08/11/12 12:47 PM Attachment (101 downloads)

Trifid in the 80mm

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363337 - 08/11/12 01:16 PM

What were your settings to get these images?

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5363790 - 08/11/12 07:08 PM

Here are the settings used on my 152mm and 80mm refractors.

EXPOSURE:
EXPOSURE -Normal
SENSE UP - Off
AGC - As Required (More AGC = More Noise)
LENS - Electr. (Set as needed for integration time)
BRIGHTNESS - (Set as needed. I use 28 as standard on refractor)


COLOR:
WB MODE - Manual
Red and Blue set to your liking


DAY & NIGHT:
MODE - Day for color (Night is B/W and more sensitive)
I ignore all the other settings.


EFFECT:
MIRROR - Off
SHARPNESS - To your liking.


MOTION:
MOTION DET. - Off
Ignore all other settings.


PRIVACY:
MODE - Off
Ignore all other settings.


ENHANCE:
GAMMA - 1.0
3D DNR - Set as needed. This affects the update rate as well as noise. I turn this off when needing faster updates for focusing etc.
MONITOR - CRT/LCD as needed
DPC - Off


SYSTEM:
Here you can set the language, title the screen and several other system functions.


EXIT:
SAVE/EXIT - This is critical. If this is not performed after making changes, the camera will default back to the last save file within 30 Seconds.
Good luck

I will post processed/stacked video in the near future.


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5363809 - 08/11/12 07:26 PM

Thank you so much.
Jim


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5365752 - 08/13/12 12:35 AM

What were the exposure times and sky conditions for those images? Those images look Very good.

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: mpgxsvcd]
      #5366541 - 08/13/12 01:59 PM

The skies were clear, but it is a light polluted area.
Star magnitude probably limited to around 5.
However the camera is very sensitive and of the screen shots from above postings, I never went above AGC-LOW and integration time of 256. These are the two main settings that change while viewing various objects.


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5371183 - 08/16/12 08:00 AM

I tried my camera for the first time last night. I was able to get fairly good clusters. I did not try for any Nebulae or Galaxies. I really want to use the camera to get alignments too. I guess I will have to bring down the exposure to around 16x for that so that it updates quickly. It takes a long time for the camera to update anything above 128x.

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: John59]
      #5371520 - 08/16/12 12:19 PM

Thanks a million for the settings Johnny. Do think these will vary at all (r much) depending on the type of object? That is, nebulae vs. clusters vs galaxies?

See you at the dam!

Mark


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: darethehair]
      #5371619 - 08/16/12 01:36 PM

Ok I think I am ready to dive in here. Can someone please check my shopping list and add/subtract from it.

1> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TVL-0-0003Lux-Real-WDR-OSD-3D-DNR/207182_583938938.html Get Elaine to remove the IR filter. Also do I want PAL or NTSC?

2> https://www.cameraconcepts.com/store2/product.php?productid=18500&cat=244&page=1 Reducer

3> http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_c2b1.htm C-mount to 1.25" barrel adapter.

I guess the only question I still have is controlling camera settings via my laptop computer instead of with a wired remote. If not, I see some people talking about being able to use another companies remote. What is working? Where do I buy it? Thanks

Edited by Whichwayisnorth (08/16/12 04:38 PM)


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: James Cunningham]
      #5371687 - 08/16/12 02:31 PM

Quote:

I tried my camera for the first time last night. I was able to get fairly good clusters. I did not try for any Nebulae or Galaxies. I really want to use the camera to get alignments too. I guess I will have to bring down the exposure to around 16x for that so that it updates quickly. It takes a long time for the camera to update anything above 128x.




Is 2.1 seconds a long time?

You can always turn the integration time up so you can clearly see the object. Then turn it down to something closer to real-time and align the object based on the stars around it even if the object is no longer visible with the lower integration times.

Are most objects visible at 128x? That is really good.


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: gr0uch0]
      #5371700 - 08/16/12 02:41 PM

BTW, I don't know if this has been posted here before (I didn't see it in this thread), but for anyone thinking of using the camera on a large-ish SCT, this came in really handy when I was setting up the Samsung on my 12". I ended up using the 3.3FR setup almost exactly as he has it. I do have a Astronomik IR filter that can be thrown into the mix as well.

Samsung SCB w/ FRs


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: mpgxsvcd]
      #5371779 - 08/16/12 03:41 PM

2.1 seconds is a long time if you are trying to center a star for alignment purposes. To align, you need to see the effects of your movement almost at the same time as you move the arrow key.

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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5371808 - 08/16/12 04:00 PM

Quote:

Ok I think I am ready to dive in here. Can someone please check my shopping list and add/subtract from it.




4) IR cut filter?

5) Optional: video capture device?


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 new [Re: darethehair]
      #5371845 - 08/16/12 04:32 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Ok I think I am ready to dive in here. Can someone please check my shopping list and add/subtract from it.




4) IR cut filter?




Found this one on Scopestuff http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_biru.htm
Quote:



5) Optional: video capture device?




I have a video capture device already. looks like I need a cable that runs from the camera to the capture device though. And I am still confused on the controller for it. I'll run back through the thread and see what folks came up with.


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5371848 - 08/16/12 04:35 PM

I have too many IR filters. I will sell you one for $25.00 and I will provide tghe shipping. Let me know via PM.
Jim


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Re: 17 sec (x1024) Camera Sony 960h Exview HAD CCD2 [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #5372378 - 08/16/12 11:59 PM

Quote:

Ok I think I am ready to dive in here. Can someone please check my shopping list and add/subtract from it.

1> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1-3-SONY-960H-EXview-HAD-CCD-II-700TVL-0-0003Lux-Real-WDR-OSD-3D-DNR/207182_583938938.html Get Elaine to remove the IR filter. Also do I want PAL or NTSC?

2> https://www.cameraconcepts.com/store2/product.php?productid=18500&cat=244&page=1 Reducer

3> http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_c2b1.htm C-mount to 1.25" barrel adapter.

I guess the only question I still have is controlling camera settings via my laptop computer instead of with a wired remote. If not, I see some people talking about being able to use another companies remote. What is working? Where do I buy it? Thanks




Your list looks good!
With these a capture device and computer or a mini DVR you will be ready to become an astro-videographer.


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