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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5440284 - 09/25/12 05:15 PM

The only correlation I can come up with is here and Astro-Mart. If people decide to not support or use the free service we provide to hobbyists, manufacturers, and curious people, but instead choose to pay for the services Astromart provides then I should no longer sell their product or continue to support their efforts? All that does is hurt the hobby on a whole.


In the current economy people have to make choices as to where their dollars go, just as you mentioned in your post. Obviously you are free to make your own decision, but the vendor has to make their own decision as well. There is only so much support that can go around. We try to do as much as we possibly can, but we can't always be in two places at once.


For example, you had Nebraska, Golden State, and Table Mountain all at the exact same time. I don't know how you would make a choice, but I assume you would make a choice on attendance and participation. I would hate to think if I had to make a choice of which star party to attend that my business would be hurt if I choose the wrong one due to the wish of a group to make a profit and have an even better show.

I wish everyone the best in making their club show as awesome as they can. I wish each show would draw 1000-2000 new people so the hobby can grow and still be around in 20 years. If some new blood doesn't start coming in telescopes will go the way of the Model Railroad. I remember when it use to be a come-one, come-all hobby. Now it just appears to be getting more and more exclusive. Large events like this are becoming more essential if we want to keep looking up.


NEAF has been running for decades and this hasn't been a problem, so I am a little surprised this is one now. I see one vendor in your equipment list that is not going to PATS, but is going to Tuscon. I just believe there is room for everyone to share their knowledge and promote the hobby.


I guess it is a no-win situation at times.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Astronomics]
      #5440422 - 09/25/12 06:44 PM

I'm not a vendor, nor associated with any. If you look me up in your system I buy from you. My last purchase was AstroDon LRGB filters. I'm not against Arizona having a show. What I see here is timing and attempt to hurt PATS with a for profit event. There are already several vendors that don't attend west coast shows, and I understand that. What I'm against is a losing support for a non profit event because a vendor can't afford to attend 3 shows all 2 weeks apart.
I actually think what Astronomics does for the community is great, that's why I try to make sure and spread some of my business to you. Astromart is pretty tough, I mentioned cloudy nights in an ad one time and got booted.

Edited by vpcirc (09/25/12 06:50 PM)


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5440574 - 09/25/12 08:32 PM

Totally get it, but the ASAE is in November. It is almost 7 weeks apart. We choose to go to it as it is closer to us. I know the date was picked so vendors would have time to recoup costs if they wanted to go to both. We are having an issue getting some of the folks at our open house due to the date, but we were handcuffed by an OU bye week. Maybe next year we will have a booth at both. You never know.

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Astronomics]
      #5440683 - 09/25/12 09:40 PM

Well now I feel stupid, I thought it was between shows in mid October.

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5440749 - 09/25/12 10:25 PM

Don't feel stupid. It is great you have passion. I wish I had more of that for some of the things I love.

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Astronomics]
      #5443841 - 09/27/12 04:54 PM

Here is the current Vendor List which keeps growing...

ADM Accessories
Aerolite Meteorites
APM Telescopes
Apogee Instrument Systems
Astro Hutech
Astro Physics
Astro Trac
Astrohaven Enterprises
Astronomer's Without Borders
Astronomical League
Astronomics
Astronomy Foundation
Astronomy Magazine
Astronomy Technology Today
Avalon Mounts
Backyard Observatories
Canon USA
Celestron
Challenger Center
Chroma Corp
Cloudy Nights
Explora Dome
Explore Scientific
Finger Lakes Instrumentation
Geost
Hands On Optics
Howie Glatters Laser Collimators
Infinitees
International Dark Sky Association
IOptron
Kielder Observatory
Kitt Peak National Observatory
Lunt Solar
Mathis Instruments
Meade Instruments Corp
Monstar Prints
Mt Lemmon Sky Center
NASA JWST
New Mexico Southern Skies
Olivon Manufacturing
OPT
Optec Inc
Planewave
Shrouds by Heather
Skyhound
Software Bisque
Springer Publishing
Stargazing for Everyone Planertaruim
Starizona
Starlight Instruments
Starlight Xpress
Stellarvue
Teeters Telescopes
Telescope Engineering Company
Telescope Support Systems
Tucson Amatuer Astronomers *BLEEP*.
Unitron Italia
Vixen Optics
Wally Pacholka
William Optics
Woodland Hills


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Gone caving]
      #5443864 - 09/27/12 05:12 PM

Missed one. Deep Space Products

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: EFT]
      #5444129 - 09/27/12 08:03 PM

Hmmmmmm
How come SBIG is not listed there ???
Anybody send them an invite ?


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: dmdouglass]
      #5445013 - 09/28/12 11:11 AM

And Thousand Oaks Optical??

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Skip]
      #5453524 - 10/03/12 01:11 PM

And how is this star party business going to work? TAAA doesn't have data. I'd think it would be neat if we could work on getting our act together for a small non-public star party in conjuction with this (yes, this is overlapping my other post). TAAA is really good at general public outreach but I know they also do smaller events.

But this event comes with what should be some of the best skies of the year. There really should be a chance to make gear do eveything it can without fielding questions about if it can see the astronauts' footprints on the Moon (if I had a dollar for every time...)

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5453599 - 10/03/12 02:04 PM

Here is the speaker schedule for the expo...

Saturday November 10th.
•10:00 – 11: 00
Dr. Steele Hill – NASA Goddard & SOHO
•11:30 – 12:30
Adam Block – Mt. Lemmon Sky Center
•1:00 – 2:00
Dr. Carin Bondar
•2:30 – 3:30
Dr. Pamela Gay -
•4:00 – 5:30
Donald Pettit – Astronaut

Sunday November 12th.
•10:00 – 12:30
The Meteorite Panel -
•1:00 – 2:00
Stephen Ramsden – Daily Solar Observation
•2:30 – 3:30
Dr. Phil Plait – The Bad Astronomer
•4:00 – 5:00
Story Musgrave – Astronaut


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Gone caving]
      #5453677 - 10/03/12 02:54 PM

I plan to attend on Saturday, as I'll be in Tucson visiting my son that weekend. But I sure hope someone will organize an observing night for attendees somewhere within an hour or two drive from the event. No way I can bring my telescope, so I'd love to share someone else's views. I'm also willing to share gas and other expenses. (Sorry, I don't Facebook.)

Clears,


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Shneor]
      #5453924 - 10/03/12 05:49 PM

I'll ask a few people I know what the realm of the possible could be for some high-quality viewing.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5454440 - 10/04/12 12:53 AM

That's much appreciated.

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Shneor]
      #5454648 - 10/04/12 07:41 AM

We are very happy to announce that the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association will be hosting an evening Star Party event at their nearby Chiricahua Astronomy Complex.

More information about the evening event can be found at their website: http://tucsonastronomy.org/

Visit the TAAA booth at the ASAE event and sign up for a wonderful and educational experience.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Gone caving]
      #5454759 - 10/04/12 09:30 AM

No, data about the observing event can not be found on the TAAA site.

Click on your link and you'll see the problem.

The only observing mentioned is on November 3, and it'd be a little late to sign up for that on November 10.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5455141 - 10/04/12 01:52 PM

It will be up in a day or so. volunteers......

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Gone caving]
      #5455145 - 10/04/12 01:54 PM

Meteorite Panel


“Out of the Sky: How Meteorites Changed the World”

TOPICS:
•How does amateur/commercial meteorite hunting contribute to science?
•How do meteorite hunters and academic researchers work together to increase our knowledge of the field?
•Until the 1800s, the Roman Catholic Church denied the existence of meteorites, claiming Heaven was perfect and stones could not fall from the sky. This belief was shattered by the l’Aigle fall in France of 1803.
•What evidence is there that ancient peoples were aware of meteorites and possibly worshipped or revered them? Examples: Winona, Canyon Diablo, Henbury Craters.
•What techniques do meteorite hunters use to find these rarest of materials?
•Major impacts have PHYSICALLY changed the world. Examples: large craters, extinction events.
•How has the study of chondrules helped us understand the early days of the Solar System?
•What can meteorites tell us about the Asteroid Belt and its makeup?
•The concept of Panspermia: Do we believe life was brought to Earth, or possibly spread through the galaxy on, or in, meteorites.

•Dr. Larry Lebofsky: Moderator
•Suzanne Morrison: Panelist
•Sonny Clary: Panelist
•Dr. Melissa Morris: Panelist
•Geoff Notkin: Panelist


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo [Re: Gone caving]
      #5455376 - 10/04/12 04:45 PM

Any idea when/ where the star party is?

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo [Re: Gone caving]
      #5455559 - 10/04/12 07:00 PM

Good stuff, Alan!

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