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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Astronomics]
      #5457611 - 10/06/12 08:58 AM

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As far as I know every show is technically for profit, star parties included. I understand the feeling, but the event site needs money, the speakers need money, and all the rest of the money hopefully will cover the expenses. If not, then it comes out of the organizers pockets.




That's not the samething. making money to host an event is not the same as making money from hosting an event so the host can personally benifit finacially.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5458008 - 10/06/12 02:15 PM

So you'd rather no one had an incentive to put together a show? It's not like they want the sort of money Donald Trump asks to have lunch.

It's a nominal amount of money in exchange for what it costs to set up a show, both in effort and attention. This narrative about people should just take time away from their families to entertain strangers and should have nothing to show for it is crazy.

Price out what attending a professional conference costs and you'll see what a for-profit event is all about.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5458112 - 10/06/12 03:43 PM

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So you'd rather no one had an incentive to put together a show? It's not like they want the sort of money Donald Trump asks to have lunch.

It's a nominal amount of money in exchange for what it costs to set up a show, both in effort and attention. This narrative about people should just take time away from their families to entertain strangers and should have nothing to show for it is crazy.

Price out what attending a professional conference costs and you'll see what a for-profit event is all about.

-Rich




+1 I agree.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5458156 - 10/06/12 04:26 PM

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So you'd rather no one had an incentive to put together a show?




don't you think it's strange that televue isn't listed as a vendor?

I'm getting a sense there's more of a back story to this then anyone is saying.

and of course I could be way of base but the more I read the more I see the possibilities.

who will be the new face of NEAF?


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5458322 - 10/06/12 07:01 PM

As it turns out, there is a backstory:

NEAF is held in NY state, which despite its fame, is a long long way from most of the rest of the country. So, while NY based companies like TeleVue find NEAF to be quite convenient, vendors like Starizona are facing a trip all the way across the country to attend. As a result, they don't.

Interestingly enough, now that we are looking at an event far from NY, the converse appears to be happening.

It's the difference 2500 miles makes.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5458342 - 10/06/12 07:21 PM

I was trying to tell the wife that I was going to go to this, and she said okay, I'll go, it sounds like fun!
Wow, she is going with me!


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: helpwanted]
      #5458561 - 10/06/12 10:30 PM

I like her style. My own wife and kids are coming. Of course, it's just across town...

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5458748 - 10/07/12 02:35 AM




don't you think it's strange that televue isn't listed as a vendor?





We weren't included in the first list sorry, don't know why... BUT
Tele Vue is definitely going to be a part of this event: David Nagler and I will be there.
We will have ALL the Tele Vue toys: Refractors, Eyepieces, including the all the "proto type" Delos.
Come by and say hi...


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: John Rhodes]
      #5459112 - 10/07/12 11:14 AM

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We weren't included in the first list sorry, don't know why... BUT
Tele Vue is definitely going to be a part of this event: David Nagler and I will be there.
We will have ALL the Tele Vue toys: Refractors, Eyepieces, including the all the "proto type" Delos.
Come by and say hi...




Hi John! I am planning on making the drive from Okiehoma to attend.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: okieav8r]
      #5459917 - 10/07/12 11:40 PM

OK, folks (and OK folk),

If you're interested in additional observing while you're out here, now's the time to say so. I have an info-gathering set of questions on the "Arriving in Tucson early' thread. I'm hoping to set up something nice for at least one night for imaging.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5460546 - 10/08/12 12:22 PM

Vendor List as of Today

10 Micron Mounts
ADM Accessories
Aerolite Meteorites
America the Beautiful at Night Wally Pacholka
APM Telescopes
Apogee Inst
Astro Haven Enterprises
Astro Hutech
Astro Physics
Astro Trac
Astronomer's Without Borders
Astronomical League
Astronomics
Astronomy Magazine
Astronomy Technology Today
Avalon Mounts
Backyard Observatories
Canon USA
Celestron
Challenger Center
Chroma Corp
Cloudy Nights
Deep Space Products
Explora Dome
Explore Scientific
Finger Lakes Instrumentation
Geost
Glatter Collimation
Hands On Optics
Infinitees
International Dark Sky Association
iOptron
Kielder Observatory
Kitt Peak National Observatory
Lunt Solar
Mathis Instruments
Meade Instruments Corp
Monstar Prints
Mt Lemmon Sky Center
NASA JWST
New Mexico Southern Skies
Olivon Manufacturing
OPT
Optec Inc
Planewave
Shrouds by Heather
Skyhound
Skyshed Observatories
Software Bisque
Springer Publishing
Stargazing for Everyone Planertaruim
Starizona
Starlight Instruments
Starlight Xpress
Stellarvue
Teeters Telescopes
Tele Vue
Telescope Engineering Company
Telescope Support Systems
Tucson Amatuer Astronomers *BLEEP*.
Unitron Italia
Vixen Optics
William Optics
Woodland Hills

And working on a few more.....


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5460801 - 10/08/12 03:07 PM

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As it turns out, there is a backstory:

NEAF is held in NY state, which despite its fame, is a long long way from most of the rest of the country. So, while NY based companies like TeleVue find NEAF to be quite convenient, vendors like Starizona are facing a trip all the way across the country to attend. As a result, they don't.






Actually, Starizona has attended at least one NEAF show. I first met Dean in person at NEAF in 2008, IIRC.

Vic Maris and the teams from OPT and Woodland Hills always make the trip from California to New York, too. I love to see them and catch up on the latest west coast gossip.

I think a lot of things are in flux due to the struggling economy.

I had planned to fly out to Arizona for the ASAE, but I'm grounded because of spinal surgery. I hope you guys have a wonderful show.

Cheers,

Ron


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Pinbout]
      #5464735 - 10/11/12 01:00 AM

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Quote:

As far as I know every show is technically for profit, star parties included. I understand the feeling, but the event site needs money, the speakers need money, and all the rest of the money hopefully will cover the expenses. If not, then it comes out of the organizers pockets.




That's not the samething. making money to host an event is not the same as making money from hosting an event so the host can personally benifit finacially.




You're exactly right Danny, the problem is vendors only have so many events they can support. If Alan is sucessful at this venture astronmy club hosting an event will disappear. I guess if that's what people would rather have then that's what there will be. I can even understand the need. The days of store front astronomy shops is all but gone sadly. The part that concerns me is the imaging workshops that typically go along with astronomy club shows. Vendors are reaching their prime targets, and imagers benefit with low cost instruction from professionals. If this trend continues then Astronomy shows wouldn't be much different than the boat show each spring. Astronomy club shows do more by bringing folks into the club and giving resources to share. I'm all for promoting astronomy everywhere, just not when I see it hurting non profit club events. I guess in the end the participants will decide what they want. In a tough economy I can see why vendors want to reach out to try and build business.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5464833 - 10/11/12 03:54 AM

I'd ask that all further responders in this thread will now simply focus on the upcoming event,and to what details this initial event may entail and to the possible upcoming events that the astro community at large can benefit from.

This thread isn't for the negativity as to this Astro Fair,or IMO any other comparison. Please start another separate thread for that negativity, if one is so inclined to do so.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5465733 - 10/11/12 05:45 PM

Based on what I have heard from folks up to now, it sounds like no one attending ASAE is still looking for an observing opportunity. Either Adam Block's class or the two site/ three night TAAA event are meeting the needs for observing.

So, I'm closing this out- I am no longer working on such a venture. If you have general questions about the Tucson area, I am, of course, happy to help answer them.

-Rich

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OK, folks (and OK folk),

If you're interested in additional observing while you're out here, now's the time to say so. I have an info-gathering set of questions on the "Arriving in Tucson early' thread. I'm hoping to set up something nice for at least one night for imaging.

-Rich




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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5465793 - 10/11/12 06:40 PM

Thanks for offering Rich, it was appreciated. Speaking for me, I had other evening plans but might be able to work something out. I wonder if Starizona will have something in their parking lot at night.

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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: rboe]
      #5466187 - 10/12/12 12:00 AM

I just wanted to make sure folks didn't get left out. The nearer TAAA site would be a good one if you don't want to go far.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: rboe]
      #5466205 - 10/12/12 12:24 AM

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Thanks for offering Rich, it was appreciated. Speaking for me, I had other evening plans but might be able to work something out. I wonder if Starizona will have something in their parking lot at night.




I'm hoping so - that's one of the reasons I booked the hotel I did; it's only a couple of miles up the road from Starizona.


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Joe Cipriano]
      #5466208 - 10/12/12 12:26 AM

Starizona generally does on Friday and Saturday nights, but I don't know if they have altered the plan since they are also supporting this event.

-Rich


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Re: 2012 Arizona Science & Astronomy Expo new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5466657 - 10/12/12 10:44 AM

Any book dealers going to be there?

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