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Yellow fringe around full moon
#5305007 - 07/06/12 08:40 AM
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While viewing the full moon last night with a recently acquired pair of 15x70s, I noticed a yellow fringe around its outer edges. These are moderately priced binoculars ($300-400) so I don't expect perfection, but is this expected for a binocular in this price range?
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Mark9473
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5305015 - 07/06/12 08:48 AM
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Have you carefully checked that the yellow fringe wasn't on one side only, and it was blue on the other? The Moon is very low at the moment so you'd expect to see the effects of atmospheric refraction.
That said, you can definitely expect some colour from the binoculars too. The optics are like an f/4-ish achromat, and the prisms and budget eyepieces don't help.
Edited by Mark9473 (07/06/12 08:50 AM)
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5305020 - 07/06/12 08:55 AM
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While viewing the full moon last night with a recently acquired pair of 15x70s, I noticed a yellow fringe around its outer edges.
Yellow is a little unusual; normal chromatic aberration usually results in a violet fringe.
I wouldn't worry about this on multiple counts. The full Moon is a very harsh test for optics, with an overwhelmingly bright disk against a black background. The two objects most likely to show up optical imperfections are the full Moon and Venus. Anyway, this fringe could easily have been in the atmosphere or in your eyes.
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5305178 - 07/06/12 10:52 AM
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I get this coloured fringing on the moon in 15x70,s and mine are a cheaper model than yours, I assume at the price you mentioned that they are the Resolux or other retailers Fuji clones, DA.
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5305292 - 07/06/12 12:15 PM
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We have to keep in mind that with binoculars there are usually the two types of chromatic aberration in play.
The short focal ratios can cause a uniform violet blur around a bright object because of unfocused violet light due to longitudinal CA.
Frequently, though, it's lateral CA that produces a different color fringe on one side of the Moon than the other. While you won't see a fringe in the center of the FOV, the further from the center you move the object, the more noticeable this fringe becomes.
In my Fuji 16x70s it's the lateral CA that's the most bothersome while viewing the Moon to me. To my eye, one side appears to be a greenish yellow and the other violet. I think these colors may vary depending on the optical design of the lens.
Here's a site with good graphics showing the cause of both kinds of CA:
http://toothwalker.org/optics/chromatic.html
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5306106 - 07/06/12 10:26 PM
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I noticed this on my Canon 10x30IS binos the other day--a yellow/green edge to one side of the moon. At first I thought it was just mild CA but something possessed me to close one eye. This only appears with my right eye and in both ep's. My left eye is color free in both ep's. What gives?
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5306344 - 07/07/12 05:41 AM
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This only appears with my right eye and in both ep's. My left eye is color free in both ep's. What gives?
It means that your right eye, like most eyes, is less than perfect.
I see large, bright, rainbow halos around the Moon and streetlights with both eyes. It is a real liability for astronomy, making it hard to see nebulas surrounding bright stars such as the ones in the Pleiades. My doctors assure me that there's nothing that can be done about it, and it's nothing to worry about.
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5306394 - 07/07/12 07:48 AM
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Seeing yellow around the edge of the moon when the image is centered is pretty common. Here's a list of some excellent binoculars that describes the chromatic aberration in each, note in the on-axis image, if ca is present, these premium binoculars show yellow. Only one of these binoculars had no on-axis false color.
below the moon observations are some Jupiter observations. Note the false color around Jupiter was blue.
these posts were from a few years ago.
chromatic aberration
waxing moon 1 day past half full
Nikon 10x70
moon centered in view, see a thin yellow band along the edge, no color on the terminator. I could sometimes see no color on-axis.
moon 70% off axis right, see yellow band, double the intensity from on-axis. Still pretty thin.
70% left, less intense, purple,
images 70% off-axis were pretty good. But 10x is not enough power to see much detail or any of the tiny craters.
images good to about 60% off axis.
Nikon Astrolux 18x70
moon centered, yellow band along edge is twice or more as prominent in the 18x70 compared to the 10x70.
at 70% out to the R, color is a thick yellow band on the outside edge much thicker than the 10x70.
70% L, the color is a bright blue, broad color band.
sometimes see no color on-axis. image very good. many smaller objects visible.
image good to about 60% off axis.
Fujinon FMT-SX 16x70
moon center and at L and R, the false color is identical to the Nikon 18x70.
The scale is noticably smaller. There is less detail in the tiny craters.
images good to 70% off axis
William Optic 22x70 ED
no color on-axis. 95% out to R, a slight yellow/green could be seen just on the outer 1/3 of the edge. Very thin color band. With moon at extreme L, slight purple color along edge, again only along maye 1/3 of edge. I thought this binocular was fairly remarkable for its near total lack of color both on and off axis. The detail and size made tiny dots easy. Saw many more craters than at 18x or 16x.
images good to about 80% off-axis.
Oberwerk Ultra 15x70
on and off axis color was just about the same as the 16x70, which in turn was about the same as the 18x70.
scale getting too small to see great detail in the many tiny craters. Many not seen at all.
images good to about 70% off-axis.
The Nikon 10x70 with thin color bands was the 2nd best performer with regard to false color, a long step behind the WO22x70. The 18x70 and 16x70 were about equal and considerably worse than the 10x70. In the 10x, 16x and 18x, occasionally the on-axis image would be without color, but most of the time there was yellow in the image. Off-axis there was a thick color band in the 15x, 16x and 18x.
I did not notice any particular color cast from any one to the other. Nor did I see any difference in brightness in the mid 15-16-18 powers.
JUPITER
Fujinon 10x50-- no belts seen,
Nikon 10x70--no belts seen,
Obie Ultra 15x70-- bright flair, false color blue halo, barely see NEB
Fujinon 16x70-- no flair, false color blue halo, NEB easy
Nikon 18x70-- no flair, false color blue halo, NEB easy, color shading on the planet disk suspected
WO 22x70-- no flair, no false color, NEB easy, SPB noticable
edz
Edited by EdZ (07/07/12 07:56 AM)
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atroder
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Re: Yellow fringe around full moon
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#5306471 - 07/07/12 09:42 AM
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Thanks to all for the very informative comments. EdZ, the description for the 15x70 pretty much nailed it in terms of my experience.
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