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Moondoggy
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Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY !
      #5372831 - 08/17/12 09:55 AM

Guys, I was wondering a few questions,And I would like everybodys input !!!
If you had a chance to start-up a NEW Yearly Star Party,and anything goes,how would you design the Star Party ?
What are your likes and Dislikes of past Star Parties ???

This question is id buliding from scratch. Outside events,speakers, Venders, Inside events and venues,food or camping,or some other sleeping arangements. Maybe cost or NOCOST !
Things you would do along,with buddies, or bring your family to make the event FUN !
Your Gripes,Pleasures. Maybe how long a Star Part should last from a dat to several days...
What excites you to go,what have you have seen lost in past Star Parties. There are NO RIGHT or Wrong Answers here.
I want too learn something, and maybe figure how Older younger Generations think. BRING IT ON !


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Moondoggy
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5372841 - 08/17/12 10:02 AM

Sorry Guys,I stugle from dislexia ! Sorry for my grammer skills. But I am most looking for your responces.
Bill


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5372855 - 08/17/12 10:09 AM

I realize that the longer the party, the harder it is to arrange and the more effort is required from the hosts. For attendees, though, it's all good. Longer parties offer more chance of clear nights, and more incentive to set up gear that one wouldn't bother with for a night or two.

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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: jrcrilly]
      #5372862 - 08/17/12 10:14 AM

Tent and food is a biggie. Some place for people to get a respite from the Sun and have a chance to sit around and shoot the breeze. Porta potties.

Raffles are fun, so are speakers.


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: jrcrilly]
      #5372870 - 08/17/12 10:17 AM

Things I especially like about the parties I like:
ability to camp on the field near the gear.
on-site food availability.
convenient battery charging station.
invitations to public to visit for outreach opportunities.

Less important but still desirable:
vendor displays
speakers

Rules I like:
no green lasers except by pre-arrangement for scheduled presentations.
no loud music.
no driving onto the field during hours of darkness.
no loose kids or dogs on the field.


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5372920 - 08/17/12 10:46 AM

One thing that ended a yearly Star Party in my vicinity; was the cost of insurance for the Club, to protect them from members possibly being injured. They quit hosting it several years ago, because of this. Also the cost of portapotties figured into this. Neither may hold true for other parts of the Country, but thought I'd bring this up.

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Stacy
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: csa/montana]
      #5373144 - 08/17/12 12:55 PM

I hate driving through miles and miles of open country and then being sandwiched into a narrow parking spot to camp and crowded into an observing field that's too small. Think big and think breathing room! JMHO

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tvoydan
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Stacy]
      #5373637 - 08/17/12 06:18 PM

1. Dark Skies. Within a distance I can reach in about 8 hours max.
2. Flat and level ground with plenty of space.
3. Ability to camp next to your equipment
4. Nice showers on site (bathrooms too). But I'll list showers 1st since porta johns are usually OK at all the parties I attend.
5. Food or meals on site.
6. Clear horizons.


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: tvoydan]
      #5373716 - 08/17/12 07:27 PM

you need something special to get people's attention
-WSP is in the Keys in winter
_TSP is in very dark skies
_Grand Canyon Star party is at the grand canyon
-NSP has the summer MilkyWay and dark skies

otherwise, I agree with tvoydan's suggestions above

a dark sky near a large population center might work
just another star party with nothing special will be limited to the locals

edj


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Rusty
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5373888 - 08/17/12 09:53 PM

Moondoggy: Have you been to any star parties? If not, make a point of going to a few different ones; you'll get ideas and inspirations.

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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5373897 - 08/17/12 09:59 PM

Venders, raffles, speakers, "facilities", camping space, Food, dark skys (though in all actuality I think a lunar party might be fun for us lunatics),ease of reaching the place, no off roading required or no getting lost on country dirt roads or tractor paths, lol.
Basic common sense rules, like no white lights after a certain time, no green lazers, and no rude behavior.
Im sort of on the fence about pets and smoking, though some have strong feelings about both.
Well behaved pets or well controlled pets are not so bad as ones that run amuck in the dark. And smoking as long as the smoker removes himself from the immediate area of equipment and or non smokers, and doesnt light a 6 inch long flamed lighter after dark, Im inclined to leave them alone, its theyre body.
Alcohol is another touchy subject ,some do not object to others have a few swiggs , some cant abide it. Again Im inclined to leave them be so long as theyre no stumbling around drunk in the dark, or being a royal , well you know, lol.


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5373903 - 08/17/12 10:02 PM

Quote:

Sorry Guys,I stugle from dislexia ! Sorry for my grammer skills. But I am most looking for your responces.
Bill





Hey no need to apolegize I suffered from ti as a child ,occasionally I still get my two letter words backwrds, and besides Ive read worse.


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RobbW
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: droid]
      #5374079 - 08/18/12 12:29 AM

Well, I haven't been to many truly organized star parties. So I don't have enough experience to say what makes a star party good or not. I'm heading out to the Enchanted Skies Star Party in New Mexico in October. It sounds like it has a lot of the things most people were mentioning they like in star parties. When I get back, I'll definitely post a review and also post here what was good and what could use improvement.

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edwincjones
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Rusty]
      #5374533 - 08/18/12 11:34 AM

Quote:

Moondoggy: Have you been to any star parties? If not, make a point of going to a few different ones; you'll get ideas and inspirations.




I agree-strongly.
Go to as many organized star parties as possible, especially the major ones.
See what works for you, what does not.

edj


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edwincjones
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5374538 - 08/18/12 11:37 AM

you do not say if your are working with a club, or other group.

try some sidewalk astronomy by setting up a scope in a park, parking lot,
busy streetcorner, and start from there to test out the interest in your area

edj


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Moondoggy
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5375543 - 08/19/12 06:40 AM

HI Folks,
Yes I do belong to a nice Astronomy club,and I have been going to some Star Parties threw the years. But I have notice that some do different things,and I know that you can't always make everybody happy. I have noticed that Star Partys attendence has gone down,and I am sure it has alot to do with the economy. But I wonder if we are getting away from ideas that worked well in the past,and what are some of the ideas we need to do to improve for future generations to come. It's hard to compete with the new hand held games and instant gratification of phone Apps...
What really bothers me is that LACK of knowledge that younger folks are being talked about in sciences in schools about Astronomy,Cosmology and so on. Even how little alot of some older folks have even heared of Basic Astro facts and never realy seen a telescope or ever heard about the advances of our forfathers of science and how it effects us today. Thats why I think Outreach,Star Parties Big-Small-private,and most of All Major Astro Public is what is needed too be talked about. I am taking notes,and I hope others are also. And I look forward to more Ideas. Maybe the size of an Observations field, What kind of Speakers Talks should be presented. The Idea of my questions id Ideas and "detail-details-and details on breaking down on each of your great responces I have heard. I have found No book on how to make a ""great Star Party""..
So I will continue to read and then chime in.
Also thankyou for being so kind and patient with my Dislexia and lack of computer skills. I work on organizing a good Star party with alot of responce,but I am missing ideas and I need to share with others in my organinational meetings.
Be Blesssed and have a great week,
Bill


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ischua
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5375830 - 08/19/12 11:44 AM

You did not say how large/small you wanted to get. I have run a few fundraising parties (1500 people)and there is only one thing that will make or break a party of any size.
Man power!!! It is not a one man operation. You will need workers. My fundraiser was one night but took three days. You have Setup...Party...Clean took 30 guys and months of planing. You will not have time to sit back and enjoy.
First part of your plan is to decide what size you think you can handle first.
Things I found...........
Take the size you think you can handle and cut it in half.
If you have 60 workers/members only 30 will show up and more than half of them will be enjoying the party when you need them.
It will cost lots more than you want. How much will the club be willing to absorb?
Just for starters...


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: ischua]
      #5376022 - 08/19/12 02:18 PM

Choose your time carefully. Earlier in the late spring/summer means shorter nights but cooler weather. In the dry west August and September bring forest fires' smoke, reducing transparency and making everyone unhappy; that may not be an issue in your locale. So you need to pick a month that balances these factors to meet your regional needs.

Pet gripes about larger star parties: Really I only have one, and that's Overcrowding! Limit attendance with attention to available space. I don't want to feel pinched by the guy setting up camp arms' reach away and feel the need to hegemonize space. I won't attend a well-known local large star party, simply because I don't enjoy enforced intimacy with the guy who snores or the 4 a.m. loudmouths.

Things I appreciate in larger star parties: top of list is light-pollution free (or very reduced) location. And then in no particular order: showers; all night coffee stands; vendors; presentations; plenty o' honey buckets; meeting people from all over and exchanging conversation with known authors and researchers; enforcement of no-white-light rules.

I'll offer one thought concerning the good point about the cost of insurance. In some states it is possible to legally enforce a written, signed liability waiver. Given that sometimes the most important aspect of an insurance policy is the cost of legal representation, a signed liability waiver coupled with a clause which would award attorney fees to the prevailing party in a lawsuit, might suffice to eliminate the necessity of insurance altogether. Laws differ from state to state but a couple of hundred dollars spent on legal advice might be very well spent.


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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: Moondoggy]
      #5376199 - 08/19/12 04:14 PM

Quote:

Guys, I was wondering a few questions,And I would like everybody's input !!!
If you had a chance to start-up a NEW Yearly Star Party,and anything goes,how would you design the Star Party ?
What are your likes and Dislikes of past Star Parties ???

This question is id building from scratch. Outside events,speakers, Venders, Inside events and venues,food or camping,or some other sleeping arrangements. Maybe cost or NOCOST !
Things you would do along,with buddies, or bring your family to make the event FUN !
Your Gripes,Pleasures. Maybe how long a Star Part should last from a dat to several days...
What excites you to go,what have you have seen lost in past Star Parties. There are NO RIGHT or Wrong Answers here.
I want too learn something, and maybe figure how Older younger Generations think. BRING IT ON !




As a Major SP developer-My advice is to step back and to see what is going on around you. Are there other SP's nearby. Are you re-inventing the wheel? Think about volunteering to see how things are done(go to school). Are other events in the area not filling the needs of the local amateurs?

Ask yourself what the primary reason for the event is. Focus on that!

I helped start an event that is still too big today. I now wish that we had created attendance limits for the event in the beginning, 300-400 max. instead of 1600, in the early days, to 700 today.

These are the major complaints:

1. packed in like sardines
2. light pollution
3. costs-(when it starts to cost over $100-without family to attend the event-then it's too much)

This event just didn't happen. I took three or four years of planning---starting with 40 people attending. Resources came from others with big events-Cliff Holmes-RTMC. Astronomical League major events as well. You can cobble together a SP and get going---but you need to keep the momentum going in order to grow.

Meal plans and food availability, plus a coffee vendor is popular. You don't pay for them to come. They make their money. At first you may need to do spaghetti feeds or the like to build up the event. Role your sleeves up kinda deal. You will need a local club or group involved in order to make the event work. Another poster suggests 30 people. That sounds ideal. 10-12 could get it started. You should have a monthly planning meeting starting a year in advance. Include site visits, on-line chat, and phone calls. Think about site management, parking, food, speakers. Know your emergency services!

Equipment vendors create an income source for the event-some people love them others couldn't care. Contests might be good for your audience. Speakers have always been popular. Avoid expensive speakers at first. There are plenty of good ones in the local amateur arena doing some nice things in astronomy.

Basic costs:
porta potties
insurance
land use or fees (USFS)
speaker area
registration area
printing and advertising (other than on-line)
Web site

I think that you can get event insurance for under $600-for the year. Check eInsurance on-line.



I like a more intimate SP. Things seem to be calmer and more zen like. I agree with most of whats been said on the forum.

My two cents worth. Please feel free to give me change.

Gene,
Chairman, NWRAL
Founding Father-Table Mtn SP


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Moondoggy
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Re: Star Party Questions for EVERYBODY ! new [Re: genedietzen]
      #5376969 - 08/20/12 03:07 AM

So-Far-So Good folks. Wonderful responces. I used to belong to another Club that started out great with some of your ideas,and the attendence was growing...
But Club Officers Changed and the running of it was becoming like a concentration camp. What was a JOY became a nightmare,and what was friendly to All people who came,became an eletist ONLY invited Major Star Party. Soon afterwards the Star Party Fell apart,went into the RED in spending,and then desolved. And I am sorry to report that that the Club is a shell of it's former self. I am looking to not only reform rebuilding the Old Fasion Wheel,but to replace it with New re designed Sporty MAG Wheels !
How does you folks feel about Astro Photo work and and exspecially if you have a 2 or 3 hours of Public visiting ?

Do you feel that areas should be blocked off for different kinds of Astronomers ?

Thanks,
Bill


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