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Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts
      #539563 - 07/31/05 04:28 PM

I finally pulled out my USAF Lens Resolution Testing Charts and performed a series of tests on various pieces of equipment. These charts are line pairs and as I mentioned in another thread, the result cannot be used to directly indicate what you could see for resolution in nighttime viewing.

There are several major differences between resolution readings from these charts in daylight (photoptic light) and night time scotoptic) point source resolution. They are (1) these charts are viewed in broad daylight, photoptic viewing, under which human eye resoltion is considerably better than in darkness, as much as 2x to 3x better; (2) They are very high contrast line pairs, black on white, as opposed to point sources, tiny round points of white on black. Resolution of black lines on a white ground can be observed at 3x to 5x normal point source resolution.

I think the most interesting results you will see come out after the complete explanation. But I can say this, based on all the values I've recorded for point source resolution by observing closest double stars, I'm not all all surprised at the results. And these results do not agree with what I see posted on binocular sites all over the internet.

The resolution of a lens is determined by the Rayleigh Limit. While there are several well known criteria for judging various limits of resolution, such as Dawes criterion and Sparrow criterion, these are empirical measures, and neither represent a value for clean resolution of two points. It is Rayleigh Limit that relies on the laws of physics to give fixed values for the resolution of a lens and even that must be measured under specific criteria. The long explanation and derivation of Rayleigh Limit can be found in CN Technical Reports and it need not be explained here. For any lens, the Rayleigh resolution, based on point sources, is 138.4/D, where D= diameter in milimeters.

Based on the above, the point source resolution limit of various lenses is:
100mm = 1.38 arcseconds, 80mm = 1.73 arcsec, 70mm = 1.97 arcsec, 60mm = 2.3 arcsec, 50mm = 2.76 arcsec, 40mm = 3.45 arcsec. These resolution limits can only be achieved with high magnifications, generally in a range that will produce a 1mm to 0.8mm exit pupil, or magnifications in the range of 25x to 30x per inch of aperture.

The USAF Lens resoluion Chart has a stepped series of patterns, each three lines with two spaces. The width of the lines is equal to the separation between the lines and the lines are 5 times as long as the width. The chart must be observed at a known distance to determine the resoluion value. A formula is given to perform the calculation. The resolution is measured from center to center of two lines, seperated by an equal space.

I actually measured several of the lines with a precise dial caliper. The actual measured values and the formula provided agreed within 1% to 2% in every case. For instance, recording an observation at 100 feet of the lines in group -1, element 4, (or g B-2, e 4 on the charts in Choosing, Using and Repairing Binoculars, by Seyfried) results in 9.47 arcseconds resolution by vernier measure and tangent calculation and 9.57 arcseconds by using the provided formula. The book does not provide the necessary table of conversion values or the formula.

These values were recorded for resolution (values are angular arcseconds):

20x80 Garrett Gemini clearly see 4.9", see horz, susp vert 4.37", no see 3.9"
20x80 Burgess LW clearly see 5.4", see horz lines only 4.83", no see 4.3"
18.7x80 Anttler clearly see 6.08", barely see 5.4", no see 4.83"
16x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 6.08", suspect 5.4", no see 4.83"
15x70 Oberwerk Ultra clear 6.82", seen 6.08", see horz, vert susp 5.4", no 4.83"
15x70 Oberwerk clearly see 6.82", horz only 6.08", suspect 5.4"
12x50 Nikon SE clearly see 8.61", see both 7.65", no see 6.82"
12x50 Nikon AE clearly see 8.61", horz only 7.65", no see 6.82"
10x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 9.67", see 8.61", no see 7.65"
10x60 Oberwerk Mariner clearly see 9.67", suspect 8.61", no see 7.65"
10x50 Nikon AE clearly see 9.67", suspect 8.61", no see 7.65"
10x50 Pentax PCF WP clearly see 10.8", suspect/see 9.67", no see 8.61"
8x56 Oberwerk clearly see 13.64", horz only 12.12", no see 10.83"
8x42 Swift Ultralite clearly see 12.12", suspect 10.83", no see 9.67"
8x42 Fujinon BFL clearly see 12.12", diff. see 10.83", susp barely 9.67"
7x50 Captain's Storm King clearly see 13.64", suspect/see 12.12", no see 10.83"
7x50 William Optics 7x50 ED clearly see 13.64", see 12.12", suspect see 10.83"

As expected, finer resolution is seen with higher power. The aperture makes almost no difference at these magnifications. In every case, the aperture is capable of much higher resolution, but at binocular magnifications, the human eye is just not capable of seeing that fine resolution. The acuity of the observer is the limiting factor.

This next table is exactly the same information as the first, with just one twist. I've taken the observed resolution for each instrument and multiplied it by the magnification of that binocular for the "apparent resolution" as seen by the eye. For example, the 16x70 Fujinon could clearly see 6.08 arcseconds. At a magnification of 16x, that gives an apparent resolution of 6.08 x 16 = 97 arcseconds.

For comparison to point source resolution, the closest pair of stars I have ever cleanly separated with the 16x70s was 9.6 arcseconds, for an apparent resolution of 154 arcseconds. With nearly every instrument listed here, I have cleanly separated stars that result in apparent separations between 154 and 172 arcseconds. Rather than reading a table of results that shows incrementally finer resolution for higher powered binoculars, showing the data by apparent resolution allows the comparison of any one binocular to another binocular, regardless of magnification.

These values represent apparent resolution (angular arcseconds x magnification):

20.8x80 Garrett Gemini clearly see 102", see horz, susp vert 91", no see 81"
20x80 Burgess LW clearly see 108", see horz lines only 97", no see 86"
18.7x80 Anttler clearly see 109", barely see 97", no see 87"
16x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
15x70 Oberwerk Ultra clear 102", seen 91", see horz, vert susp 81", no 72"
15x70 Oberwerk clearly see 102", horz only 91", suspect 81"
12x50 Nikon SE clearly see 103", see both 92", no see 82"
12x50 Nikon AE clearly see 103", horz only 92", no see 82"
10x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 97", see 86", no see 77"
10x60 Oberwerk Mariner clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
10x50 Nikon AE clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
10x50 Pentax PCF WP clearly see 108", suspect/see 97", no see 86"
8x56 Oberwerk clearly see 109", horz only 97", no see 86"
8x42 Swift Ultralite clearly see 97", suspect 87", no see 77"
8x42 Fujinon BFL clearly see 97", diff. see 87", susp barely 77"
7x50 Captain's Storm King clearly see 95", suspect/see 85", no see 76"
7x50 William Optics 7x50 ED clearly see 95", see 85", suspect see 76"


As you can see from this table of results, apparent resolution falls in a range that varies slightly between approximately 90 and 100 arcseconds, regardless of magnification or aperture. A few binoculars suspected seeing finer, down into the range of low 80s arcseconds. In every case I recorded the no see (even if not reported here). The fineness of the target steps give jumps of about 10 arcseconds, so in many instances a precise value is not determined. But it is easy to see from the results that it does not vary by much.

As you can see from the data, there is no one real standout. A few were not exactly up to par with the rest of the pack, but none jump out as a clear leader and none are so bad I would get rid of them. Also, it is clear the resolution values as determined by a line bar chart in daylight do not represent expected resolution for astronomy. However, since I have both this data and data for pont source resolution for nearly all these instruments, there may be potential to develop a factor for conversion. maybe another post.

8-20-05
Several binoculars were pulled out, in particular the 8x56 was found to be slightly out of collimation. it was adjusted. it and the pentax were tested over and both results improved slightly, not surprisingly, fitting their results more in line with the rest of the other binoculars tested.

edz

8-22-05
Another post brought out this information, which is relevant to this post.

The forumla is dependant on also having the Table of Value Constants (LPM) for each line pair image on the chart. Without the constants, the formula is of no use.

Also, it is extremely important that the chart be exactly sized. On occasion we see people that have photocopies of these charts. Almost all photocopy machines reduce the size of the original to maybe 97-98%. A copy of a copy can very quickly be reduced to a non-standard size and then the Table of Constants would no longer be valid for that copy. The other source is printing the charts off the internet as is possible from the links I've provided below. The caution here is the user must know exactly how to size the chart. As a check, the three bars and two spaces in Group-2 Element 1 should measure exactly 10mmx10mm.

I'll dig out the table of Constants and the Formula later and scan them with some sizing information and post it as pictures to our Binocular gallery.



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Here's an online link to USAF Charts
Lens Resolution Testing
and a link to a USAF 1951 Chart with the Table of Constants.
Chart with Table of Values

I find it interesting that none of these links provide ALL the information necessary to use the charts. None of these links provide the formula.

SO HERE'S THE FORMULA AND TABLE OF CONSTANTS

I have posted the chart and the table of constants here
USAF 1951 Resolution Chart and Table of Constants
it is extremely important that the chart be exactly sized
see the notes in thiss post up above about sizing

The forumla is dependant on also having the Table of Value Constants (LPM) for each line pair image on the chart. Without the constants, the formula is of no use.

Using this table of values linked here which shows the
Constants for the Groups and Elements of the Line Pairs Chart,

the forumula is 8121 / (D x LPM)

where D is the distance to your target measured in inches and LPM is the value from the Constants, or the actual number of line pairs per mm for the mimimum you can see. For instance a 10x binocular used at a distance of 125 feet (1500 inches) that can see line pairs in Group-1, Element 2 has a value of 0.561 lpm. Therefore it's resolution is 8121/(125x12x0.561) = 9.65 arcseconds.






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edited 9-4-06 added a few more including Garrett 20x80 and Obie Ultra 15x70

edited 7-13-07 you will read much further down in this thread that some results published by some testers use boosted magnifiaction. That is, they place an auxilary scope behind the binocular to boost magnification up to 25x, 30x, 40x, etc. Although the instrument normally would not likely be used in this manner, this allows the tester to see much finer resolution and really get to the point where it may be possible to compare ultimate resolution of one binocular to another. Some examples:

15x70 Oberwerk Ultra, with a 2.5x magnifier for a modified power of 15x2.5=37.5x, I could see resolution just barely to 2.7 arcseconds.

16x70 Fujinon with 2.5x multiplier (=40x), (to equalize with the 15x70 I moved several feet further away from the target), I could see the same 2.7 arcseconds resolution.

12x50 Nikon AE at 12x I could clearly see 7.65 arcsec for an apparent res of 92 arcsec and 6.82 arcsec was blurred for 82 arcsec apparent.
12x50 Nikon AE with the 2.5x boost for 30x, I could see 4.3 arcsec and 3.8 arcsec, and the apparent res is 129 arcsec and 115 arcsec.
Using the same Nikon AE 12x50, with a 6x monocular for a net 72x, I could see 3.4 arcsec easily, 3.04 arcsec clearly, 2.7 arcsec barely and 2.4 arcsec suspected. Apparent resolution values are 245, 219, 195, and 174.

Boosted magnification does allow you to see very small resolution. I was able to read 3.4 or 3.0 arcseconds with two different 10x50s boosted to 60x. When the 6x booster was placed on two different 12x50s for 72x I was able to read 2.7 arcseconds and even suspected 2.4. Seems 60x on a 50mm binocular may not be enough to reach the limit of resolution. However, I did have two 10x binocular that couldn't see much better than 5 arcsec when boosted to 60x.

With the 6x booster on a 10x70 Fujinon for 60x, I could see no better than 3.0 arcsec.

Magnification required to see all the potential resolution in a binocular, for some instruments may be in the vicinity of 30x per inch.

Line pairs charts vary by 12% for each increment better or worse. If two binoculars are compared with only a 12% difference in resolution, especially at less than maximum resolution, then one has not been definitively determined as better than the other. However, if there were a 20% difference in resolution in two optics of same dia aperture and at same power, obviously you can tell one is better.



Edited by EdZ (09/02/07 03:57 PM)


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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: EdZ]
      #539606 - 07/31/05 05:08 PM

Quote:

These values represent apparent resolution (angular arcseconds x magnification):
20x80 Burgess LW clearly see 108", see horz lines only 97", no see 86"
16x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
15x70 Oberwerk clearly see 102", horz only 91", suspect 81"
12x50 Nikon SE clearly see 103", see both 92", no see 82"
12x50 Nikon AE clearly see 103", horz only 92", no see 82"
10x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 97", strongly suspect 86", no see 77"
10x60 Oberwerk Mariner clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
10x50 Nikon AE clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
10x50 Pentax PCF WP clearly see 108", suspect/see 97", no see 86"
8x56 Oberwerk clearly see 109", horz only 97", no see 86"
8x42 Swift Ultralite clearly see 97", suspect 87", no see 77"
7x50 Captain's Storm King clearly see 95", suspect/see 85", no see 76"

The fineness of the target steps give jumps of about 10 arcseconds, so in many instances a precise value is not determined.



Ed, am I correct to interpret that the 10 arcsecond jumps make any comparison between the various sets almost pointless? Could this be refined by varying the distance to the target? Can you indicate if there are any differences here which you consider significant?

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: Mark9473]
      #539731 - 07/31/05 07:36 PM

Quote:

These values represent apparent resolution (angular arcseconds x magnification):
20x80 Burgess LW clearly see 108", see horz lines only 97", no see 86"
16x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
15x70 Oberwerk clearly see 102", horz only 91", suspect 81"
12x50 Nikon SE clearly see 103", see both 92", no see 82"
12x50 Nikon AE clearly see 103", horz only 92", no see 82"
10x70 Fujinon FMT SX clearly see 97", strongly suspect 86", no see 77"
10x60 Oberwerk Mariner clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
10x50 Nikon AE clearly see 97", suspect 86", no see 77"
10x50 Pentax PCF WP clearly see 108", suspect/see 97", no see 86"
8x56 Oberwerk clearly see 109", horz only 97", no see 86"
8x42 Swift Ultralite clearly see 97", suspect 87", no see 77"
7x50 Captain's Storm King clearly see 95", suspect/see 85", no see 76"

The fineness of the target steps give jumps of about 10 arcseconds, so in many instances a precise value is not determined.





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Ed, am I correct to interpret that the 10 arcsecond jumps make any comparison between the various sets almost pointless? Could this be refined by varying the distance to the target? Can you indicate if there are any differences here which you consider significant?




1st question. No. I don't think the 10 arcsecond jumps make comparison pointless. Look at the sequence of the data. It doesn't vary too much at all.

2nd question. re: differences I see as significant. Well, again look at the data.

The Burgess can't resolve quite as well as most of the others. It could not see both horz and vert pairs at 97"
Surprisingly to me the Pentax 10x50 didn't do as well as I expecteed. It had difficulty with 97".
The 8x56 Obie I wasn't too surprised had difficulaty going down to 97".

Two others, Obie 15x70 and Nikon 12x50 AE clearly saw just above 97" and saw horz only at 91/92", so they stradled the 97" mark.

One binocular, the 12x50 Nikon SE, clearly saw 92", but many others, the 16x70, 15x70, 10x70, 10x60, 10x50AE, 8x42 and the 7x50 saw just above that and suspected seeing below that so they all straddled the 92" mark.

The 10x50, the 10x60 and the 10x70 show that aperture may not make any difference in resolution at these magnifications.

It seems to me, based on these results, that measuring binocular resolution at anything other than the fixed binocular magnification would be misleading. It doesn't much matter if the binocular aperture can reach a resolution of 2 or 3 or 4 arcseconds. The question is, what can it reach at it's fixed magnification. That is the only magnification at which it will ever be used.

Yes, the distance to target can be varied to get a slightly different set of results. I wouldn't expect to reach a much different conclusion. There would probably be a refinement of all the stradlers when taking more distance readings into consideration. The targets sizes vary by 12% so varying distance by maybe 4% and 8% would give good increments.

All of these readings were taken at a distance of 125 feet, +/- 1 foot. The 20x80 and 16x70 would not focus on the target at anything less. Two targets were used. One with very clear and sharply defined edges on glossy paper. One a photocopy from the target in Seyfried's book. The two targets varied in size by 1%. The sharply defined edges on glossy paper gave better readings. Light was bright but no Sun on target or binoculars.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: EdZ]
      #539847 - 07/31/05 09:33 PM

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It seems to me, based on these results, that measuring binocular resolution at anything other than the fixed binocular magnification would be misleading. It doesn't much matter if the binocular aperture can reach a resolution of 2 or 3 or 4 arcseconds. The question is, what can it reach at it's fixed magnification. That is the only magnification at which it will ever be used.





Thanks, Ed, for this work. The above (quoted) statement was recently given by Zeiss as well. Somebody had tested one of their Victory models and used a 'booster' to increase magnification by a factor 12 or so. Using this booster, he found the image of a star not being properly point-like and wanted to return the glass. Zeiss responded that these instruments were created to produce a flaw-less image at its standard magnification - quite understandable, as I think.

Your results also confirm that many of the test reports in the birder's circles are incorrect in their claim that "a 40mm objective provides more usable resolution for birding than a 30mm". Funnily, they frequently 'confirm' that finding with resolution chart measurements. This is in fact nonsense. However, there is a little truth behind that statement: A 40mm provides more light under gloomy light conditions. This additional light helps to increase the CONTRAST (not the resolution) and in this way enables it to display more micro-details. A test chart should better check for contrast than for resolution (Leica has made a similar statement: Resolution is no reasonable parameter for a binocular, but, in real applications, contrast is the factor that has to be optimized).

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: holger_merlitz]
      #539862 - 07/31/05 09:45 PM

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Your results also confirm that many of the test reports in the birder's circles are incorrect in their claim that "a 40mm objective provides more usable resolution for birding than a 30mm". Funnily, they frequently 'confirm' that finding with resolution chart measurements. This is in fact nonsense. However, there is a little truth behind that statement: A 40mm provides more light under gloomy light conditions. This additional light helps to increase the CONTRAST (not the resolution) and in this way enables it to display more micro-details. A test chart should better check for contrast than for resolution (Leica has made a similar statement: Resolution is no reasonable parameter for a binocular, but, in real applications, contrast is the factor that has to be optimized).




I once tried in vain over many, many days to convince a fellow bino enthusiast of this very point. In fact, it was the whole USAF resolution test chart vs "colored supermarket flyer" posts that Kenny alluded to, that later spawned this thread. To a birder, contrast enhancement means A LOT. What's important is not just the separation of high contrast details, but especially, the distinction of subtle low contrast details. Personally, I don't think one can achieve that with fine resolution, and see the two issues as mutually dependent, but it's something I rarely see anybody really address in these comparitive articles that focus mainly on astronomy.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: lighttrap]
      #539878 - 07/31/05 10:07 PM

>>...Personally, I don't think one can achieve that with fine resolution, and see the two issues as mutually dependent

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Hi Mike,

even more: The 'fine resolution' is limited by the resolution of your eye, regardless whether you are using a 8x42 or 8x32. You want to go finer? Only way is to increase magnification, as Ed has demonstrated above. In this regard, don't need to care for aperture at all.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: lighttrap]
      #539898 - 07/31/05 10:22 PM

I had several articles out on my table today while I was working on this. One on MTF, which I still don't fully understand, but the other titled "Contrast & Definition" by C.J.R. Lord FRAS, which I found much easier to read. One short quote from the article, " The effects of image contrast of adjacent features govern the resolution." And another, "The defining ability of any optical imaging system is not merely a property of that system's aperture, it is governed by the Modulation Transfer Function (M.T.F.), the ratio of the object contrast to the contrast of that object in the image plane."

Using colored charts is a good way to modulate the contrast.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: EdZ]
      #539990 - 07/31/05 11:48 PM

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One on MTF, which I still don't fully understand




Hi Ed,

I'm with you on that. While the concept of MTF is simple, the use of it as an indicator of performance on astronomical objects is not. The best explanation I have seen is in 'Telescope Optics' by Rutten & van Venrooij, section 18.7. Although the example given is for obstructed optics, common binocular problems such as spherical aberration and misalignment can push the MTF curve down as much or more than a C.O. This can cause contrast problems even at the relatively low powers used by binoculars.

Many, myself included, have been guilty of using the terms "resolution" and "resolving power" applied to extracting faint stars out of the background when it is really contrast that is in play. This is why in my figures of merit I suggested measuring both stellar limiting magnitude and tightest double split.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: milt]
      #540752 - 08/01/05 03:11 PM

The observation of line pairs to determine an output value for resolution is very much influenced by contrast. However the line pairs chart is "High" contrast. The complex issues of how to measure contrast in any instrument are not easy to get your arms around. I make no attempt here. I think others have said and I agree, it's easier to read and (hopefully) understand the concept. It's much more difficult to measure it.

For those of you that have the book "Choosing Using and Repairing Binoculars" by Seyfried, the back of the book includes a partial USAF line pairs chart and chapter 3 in the text refers to th charts. I find the text might mislead the casual reader, one who does not take the time to discover the proper conversion tables and forumla to use this chart, or one who does not take the effort to prove the chart through mathematics.

The text asserts that the US Navy requires a binocular to resolve an angle of 4 arcseconds. Further it states a good binocular, when used to observe this chart at 100', should give detail in group B-2 down to bar 2 or bar 3, not quite 4 arcseconds, but good enough.

For your use, the six sets of bars in group B-2 (the same as group -1 on standard USAF chart) when observed at 100', produce resolution as follows:
bar 1 = 13.5 arcseconds
bar 2 = 12.1
bar 3 = 10.8
bar 4 = 9.6
bar 5 = 8.5
bar 6 = 7.6

Since these are the calculated values for a distance of 100 feet, you can convert to any other distance by proportion. As you can see, it would be necessary to observe this group on this chart at a distance of 200' to have any results approaching 4 arcseconds.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: EdZ]
      #540758 - 08/01/05 03:16 PM

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2nd question. re: differences I see as significant. Well, again look at the data.

The Burgess can't resolve quite as well as most of the others. It could not see both horz and vert pairs at 97"
Surprisingly to me the Pentax 10x50 didn't do as well as I expecteed. It had difficulty with 97".
The 8x56 Obie I wasn't too surprised had difficulaty going down to 97".



Thanks for clarifying.
It was the result of the Pentax that made me pose the question, as it didn't seem to confirm its reputation.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: Mark9473]
      #540782 - 08/01/05 03:31 PM

When I look at the results listed in my "Sharpness Rating Table" a collection of double star observations on axis and at various points off axis, I see there are a number of binoculars that performed better on axis then the Pentax PCF WP 10x50. However, by 60% and 70% out from center almost all of those other binoculars are bettered by the Pentax. It may not have the best on axis resolution, as the line pairs seem to indicate, but it sure holds on to what sharpness is does have, well beyond the off axis distance of most other binoculars. An unusual combination.

Interesting, this line pairs on-axis resolution test confirms the observations of Barry Simon, in his report comparing the Pentax 10x50 to the Nikon AE 10x50. However, after 60% out the Nikon AE is no match for the Pentax.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: EdZ]
      #541059 - 08/01/05 06:33 PM

Hello Edz,I want to thank you for taking the time for all this testing of the binoculars and for everything else you do that we don't see and take for granted.
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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: holger_merlitz]
      #542370 - 08/02/05 05:28 PM

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Your results also confirm that many of the test reports in the birder's circles are incorrect in their claim that "a 40mm objective provides more usable resolution for birding than a 30mm".




I have tried in vain here in the UK to persuade the bird magazines to employ more scientific methods to evaluate bins and scopes, but the poor things seem only capable of playing arithmetic games with the numbers.



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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: grbrown]
      #542718 - 08/02/05 10:06 PM

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Hello Edz,I want to thank you for taking the time for all this testing of the binoculars and for everything else you do that we don't see and take for granted.





Steve beat me to it, but let me also say thank you for the work you have done and your generous attitude about sharing the results. While I do not fully understand the more arcane and technical aspects of these subjects, I can respect the work that goes into this. What's more, I can read it and learn with the full confidence that the writer is knowledgable and what I am reading is accurate.

I would be interested to see this kind of study done with larger apeture binos in the 100mm range.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: grbrown]
      #542725 - 08/02/05 10:11 PM

In the 1970s, camera and optic journals usually employed one journalist who was exclusively responsible for testing equipment. These guys were specialists and the quality of articles was correspondingly high. Nowadays, they are saving money and often take test reports from free journalists, who can't make a living just out of testing but have to report on Claudia Schiffer's new lovers as well. Then, there is increasing pressure from the sponsors who are placing the ads. When testing lenses, the results always end up either 'very good' or 'good' - nobody dares to seriously criticize one of the top shots. All in all, test reports of these days are inferior tho those published 30 years back.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: holger_merlitz]
      #542987 - 08/03/05 07:02 AM

Thanks gentlemen for the compliments.

Let me point out some further thoughts on the subject. As always, after I have data in my hands I spend a great deal of time just looking at it. I have to ask myself what does this tell me. I have to also ask myself what am I overlooking.


For any binocular tested in daylight, with an exit pupil larger than eye pupil, the net effective aperture being tested is that which would be the equivalent used to form the diameter of the eye pupil.

Just the previous week I had tested my eye pupils if fairly bright daylight and found them to be approx 4.5mm. It is reasonable to assume when placed up to the eyepiece they may be 5mm.

In order to test a binocular with an exit pupil larger than eye pupil it is absolutely necessary to add supplemental magnification behind the eyepiece to reduce the exit pupil so that ALL the light from the objective is captured. By not doing so, all the light is not captured and hence as mentioned above, only the effective aperture is being tested.

Now this is tricky. The supplemental scope must be of fine enough quality to not reduce the overall image in the exit pupil being studied. In other words, that scope itself must be tested, and it's resolution must be sufficient to show what is achievable by the primary aperture. It must not be too high a magnification, otherwise the resultant final exit pupil will be too small. And it must be critically focused.

Based on many tests with other instruments, I know apparent resolution remains fairly constant, therefore it can be used to calculate the value at the supplemental magnification and also to convert the value to the standard fixed magnification.

A simple example of this would be: a binocular ( with exit pupil smaller than or equal to eye pupil) is tested at 10x and sees 9.7" resolution , for an apparent resolution of 97 arcseconds apparent. For this same binocular tested with 2x supplemental magnification, for a combined 20x, this binocular should read 97/20 = 4.85 arcseconds. The 4.85 arcsec reading obtained with supplemental magnification, when multiplied by the mgnification used, should equal the apparent resolution of the lens obtained at any other magnification.

If a result cannot be obtained that falls within the testing observer's normal narrow limit of apparent resolution, then the result cannot be used to calculate back to the normal resolution of the fixed magnification.

For instance, assume the binocular in the above example is a 50mm binocular. Now assume a 6x supplemental scope is used to test (that's the lowest power finder scopes I have around). At 60x magnification, the test would need to show a resolution of 97/60 = 1.6 arcseconds. But 1.6 arcsec is beyond the resolution capabilities of a 50mm lens which has a Rayleigh Limit of 138/50 = 2.76 arcseconds. It is likely the best resolution that could be observed with this high supplemental magnification would be 2.76 arcseconds and maybe more like 3 arcseconds. As you can see, 3 arcseconds seen with 60x would result in an apparent resolution of 180 arcseconds, only about half as good as could have been determined with the same lens without any supplemental magnification.

Results obtained outside the normal range of the tester's normal narrow limit
of apparent resolution cannot be used to calculate back to the normal resolution for the fixed magnification of the instrument. This poses some significant problems in developing test results which can be used and compared among instruments.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: EdZ]
      #542999 - 08/03/05 07:25 AM

>>>In order to test a binocular with an exit pupil larger than eye pupil it is absolutely necessary to add supplemental magnification ...

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Hi Ed,

This is surely true - but won't it then be a rather artificial test? I mean: Nobody is going to make use of a 7.1 mm exit pupil during daytime. Therefore, regardless of how the instrument's resolution would be at full aperture - nobody can use it. Only under very dim light the full aperture is accessible, and then our eyes are anyway functioning differently.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts new [Re: holger_merlitz]
      #543156 - 08/03/05 09:38 AM

Holger,

You pose even further considerations, some of which we mentioned in discussion earlier. The key must be to determine the resolution for the condition in which the instrument will be used. I suppose for those instruments with exit pupils larger than eye pupil there may be different values for different conditions. Whatever the results may show, there are some very specific points that must be taken into consideration for any of these results to be used for comparing one binocular to another.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts [Re: holger_merlitz]
      #543185 - 08/03/05 10:06 AM

Ed,

I've used used the method of boosting magnification for many years to test the actual resolution of binoculars. As you have noticed resolution testing by simply looking through a binocular in daylight has the disadvantage of using only the part of the objective that the size of your pupil entrance allows, and is really more of an eye resolution test than a binocular resolution test because virtually every binocular I have measured, even rather poor or even defective ones can still have resolution at the binocular's magnification that is better than eyesight. I understand your and Holger's objection that magnifying the image produces a misleading or artificial resolution figure since it shows details that the eye can't actually see in normal use. However, it is the actual resolution of the instrument and I would be interested in knowing that from simply curiosity about the true optical quality of binoculars, even if I found no practical use for it. But in fact I have found it can be very useful in revealing the presence of optical defects that can degrade overall image quality though not necessarily visible detail. For instance I recently tested an old Nikon 8x30 E by boosting the magnification to 64x. The left barrel measured 4.5" (a good enough but not excellent result with my chart), but the right barrel measured a poor 7" (still better than eyesight at 8x), and the magnified image in the right side looked quite poor compared to the left. Something was clearly wrong with that side. I should mention that the same magnification boosting set-up I use for resolution testing is equaly good for artificial star testing which can reveal much more about aberrations and sample defects. Star testing that 8x30 E revealed that the poor resolution in the right side resulted from severe astigmatism.

BTW I've found that the quality of the testing scope is not very important. After all it sees the same magnified image of the binocular's actual resolution that the eye sees. A 10X binocular with 3" resolution presents an image to the test scope with only 30" of resolution. Any decent 30mm finder should have resolution around 4-5", much better than needed. I often use a Takahashi 5x25 finder because it is small enough to fit comfortably behind an eyepiece. Lately I've been using one side of a Fujinon 8x30 FMT-SX. The 10x binocular described above combined with the Tak finder would present an image to the eye with about 150" of resolution, so it's quite easy for the eye to see the actual resolution in daylight. As with resolution testing of telescopes the total magnification of the binocular plus test scope just needs to be high enough for the eye's resolution to be better than the image resolution. I hope you, Holger and others will give this method a try. It will certainly give you information about your binoculars' optics that you can get no other way, even if unlike me, you find no practical use for it.

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Re: Binocular Resolution Testing w/USAF Charts [Re: Glassthrower]
      #543234 - 08/03/05 10:42 AM

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I would be interested to see this kind of study done with larger apeture binos in the 100mm range.




Me too. Only thing is, the close focus for my 100mm bincoulars is about 200 feet. I originally started these tests with the chart 100 feet away. that was just far enough so my Oberwerk 15x70 could focus. It has a close focus of about 75-80'. As you can see in the tests listed above, it was necessary to get 125 feet away from the chart so the Fujinon 16x70 and Burgess 20x80 could focus. The 20x80 has a close focus of about 120' and the 16x70 is 100+'. I need to mount a chart on a tree or post somewhere in my neighbor's front yard to use the chart for 25x100 binoculars. It should be at least some fair distance beyond the close focus point to allow for a little focusing range.

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