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Brent
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Swarovski 8 X 30 question
      #5417418 - 09/12/12 02:27 PM

Greetings,

Does anyone here have experience with BOTH the Leica Trinovid 8 X 32 BN and the Swarovski Habicht 8 X 30? I currently have a newly refurbished pair of the Trinovids, but have read about the excellence of the Habicht. I cannot get the Habicht through my local dealer (or anywhere else, it appears), however, I will be going to Vienna soon and wondered whether the Habicht would be a significant step up.

I wear glasses, and like the Leicas because they make it easy to observe with them, but not being able to observe with glasses might not be a deal breaker. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

Brent


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Brent]
      #5417432 - 09/12/12 02:39 PM

Quote:

I cannot get the Habicht through my local dealer (or anywhere else, it appears)
Brent




Sometimes they show up on ebay.
You could also contact this dealer.

PLEASE CLICK HERE

Stan

Edited by hallelujah (09/12/12 02:48 PM)


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Brent
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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5417691 - 09/12/12 05:02 PM

Thanks Stan,

I'll see what they cost in Austria, but it's nice to know I can get them here if I need to. I'd still like to know how they compare to the Trinovids, so I can decide if they are worth the extra money (if I buy the Habicht, I'm assuming I should be able to sell the Leicas for about $600).

Brent


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Erik Bakker
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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Brent]
      #5417824 - 09/12/12 06:26 PM

Hi Brent,

I had them both. Now I only have the Habicht 8x30.

The Trinovid 8x32 BA are very nice, compact binoculars. The Habicht 8x30 however, is sharper, brighter and more contrasty on axis. The Habicht also has much better off-axis illumination. For their size, the Leica's are superb. Optically, the 8x30 is better. It has the added bonus of the 3D view only porros deliver. And it is fully waterproof. If you must wear glasses, the Trinovids have a tad more eyerelief and more easily adjustable eyegards. Without glasses, the Habicht is wonderful.

Now I only have the Swarovski 8x30W and Nikon 18x70 in my bino stable, a great pair indeed.

I would like to add that binos, no matter how good, have to match your eyes, facial topography and observing targets and -conditions. Only then will they make the observer truly happy.


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Brent
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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5418433 - 09/13/12 12:33 AM

Eric,

Thanks. I was hoping you'd chime in, as I seemed to remember you had owned the Leica. I'll try a pair of the Habicht when in Austria in a couple of weeks.

Regards,
Brent


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Brent]
      #5418617 - 09/13/12 06:37 AM

Brent,

That sounds like an excellent plan. The off-axis illumination difference with the Leica shows profoundly under the stars, but not during daytime observations.

Have a good trip to Austria and keep us posted!


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John_G
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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5421690 - 09/14/12 10:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I cannot get the Habicht through my local dealer (or anywhere else, it appears)
Brent




Sometimes they show up on ebay.
You could also contact this dealer.

PLEASE CLICK HERE

Stan




I'll jump. I'm enjoying my 8x40s a lot and I'm kind of curious about the smaller exit pupil.


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John_G
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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: John_G]
      #5443968 - 09/27/12 06:24 PM

My 8x30s came in. I tried them out last night. I'm not a technical guy when it comes to binoculars, but the moon looked far better in the Swarovski's than the Nikon's. I didn't notice any difference in brightness but I really noticed the difference in quality. Much more crisp and detailed. Very flat. Less glow. Very, very nice.

Also, they didn't come with any lens caps for the objectives. Only for the ocular. Seems kind of strange. Is that typical with these?


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: John_G]
      #5444196 - 09/27/12 08:51 PM

John

The Habichts don't come with objective lens caps but they are available from Swarovski. I'm glad you're enjoying the view provided by your Habicht. I continue to be impressed with mine, tightest most pinpoint stars I've ever seen at 8x and I'm fortunate enough to have some pretty good 8x binos.

Steve


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: steve@37n83.9w]
      #5444395 - 09/27/12 10:39 PM

Hi Steve

Pinpoint is right. I got out for a hour or so I noticed that as well. I look forward to getting to a dark site with them.


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5444660 - 09/28/12 04:55 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I cannot get the Habicht through my local dealer (or anywhere else, it appears)
Brent




Sometimes they show up on ebay.
You could also contact this dealer.

PLEASE CLICK HERE
Stan




Hi Stan, This dealer is only about 30 miles from my place. He posts on BirdForum. I have not made a trip down yet. He seems like a good fellow. People can orders these from Cameraland as well, you have to wait of course.


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: mooreorless]
      #5448683 - 09/30/12 03:32 PM

Erik wanted a report back, so here it goes.

I was able to locate the 8 X 30 Habicht in Vienna ('just got back). I liked the size, and just about everything about it except the eye relief and price. Mind you, I wasn't able to really try it out as much as I would have liked. (The proprietor of the shop did open the window to let me look out, but kept trying to push larger roof prisms into my hands.)

In what little time I did have to use it, I didn't get on that well when trying to view with glasses. I couldn't see the whole field of view as I can with my Leica Trinovid. Glasses off, no problem. Of course, having no other binocular with me, I could not compare directly (the shop did not sell Leica). However, I can confidently say that I when I first tried out the Leica I noticed some false color in certain circumstances; I could see none whatsoever in the Swarovsky. On the other hand, the Swarovski seemed to be more susceptible to flare. So much for the short daytime test run. Overall, however, I was left with the impression that my Leica binocular is probably better suited to all-around use for a spectacle wearer. Because of this, and because the cost was something I could not justify even with the excuse that "life is short," I had to pass on this fine specimen . . . for now. (Besides, when one is hemorrhaging money on foreign travel is not the best time to convince the Mrs. that one should be rewarded with another astro toy).

Well, then I get back to the States and find more posts on this thread about the Swaro's virtues. Hmmmph! Trying to tempt me again, I see. Thanks a lot—and just when I thought I was decided. Now I'm back to dreaming and longing acquisitively again, but until life lets me save enough pennies to buy the Habicht painlessly, I'll have to make do with the old Leica . . . make do, and wonder. I'm so fickle.

Brent


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Brent]
      #5448723 - 09/30/12 04:01 PM

Thanks for the report Brent. With glasses on, the Habicht is a no go, their eyerelief is a bit too short for that. Stick to your Leicas, they are far easier on glasses and superb binos in their own right.

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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5448964 - 09/30/12 06:37 PM

I'll report back as well once my 8x30 comes back from Austria. I sent it to RI for evaluation and more than likely they will send it to Austria.

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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Jae]
      #5823327 - 04/25/13 10:56 PM

In the past few days I've had my first real opportunity to get out in daytime and really enjoy these binoculars in some wetland areas. I just love using them. The images they give me are wonderful.

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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: John_G]
      #5823789 - 04/26/13 08:41 AM

Yes, they are wonderful. I did get mine back from Austria and oddly enough, I enjoy them even more with the eyecups folded down.

I get the sense that the image scale seems a bit smaller than 8x32 roofs they make. It may give the impression that you see more with their roofs but it could be an illusion. I feel like I'm looking at a 9x32 in their roofs.


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steve@37n83.9w
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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: John_G]
      #5823855 - 04/26/13 09:17 AM

Quote:

In the past few days I've had my first real opportunity to get out in daytime and really enjoy these binoculars in some wetland areas. I just love using them. The images they give me are wonderful.




I'm always impressed with the images offered when using the Habicht and never go more than a few days without using mine. I use it a lot for daytime terrestrial viewing but also a lot under the night sky when viewing here in town. When at a dark site I like a larger exit pupil but here in town an exit pupil ~4mm is a great compromise, letting in enough light for the object being viewed but not letting in so much light that it "washes out" the background keeping the sky nice and dark. I recently had a little spare time and did some quick resolution testing using both the 1951 USAF and ISO 12233 (my personal favorite) charts and confirmed what I already knew after using my binoculars many times observing the night sky....the 8x30 Habicht is my sharpest 8x binocular.

Steve


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: steve@37n83.9w]
      #5824041 - 04/26/13 10:34 AM

Steve,

Do you use the real charts ? or a download from the web. Where do you get those ? I've been using a two dollar bill but it's just not the same......

Jae


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: Jae]
      #5825498 - 04/26/13 11:25 PM

Quote:

Steve,

Do you use the real charts ? or a download from the web. Where do you get those ? I've been using a two dollar bill but it's just not the same......

Jae




Jae

I agree it's not the same because a chart lets you put a numerical value on how well your binoculars compare with each other as opposed to " I can (or can't) make out that number/letter". The website is www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html

Steve


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Re: Swarovski 8 X 30 question new [Re: steve@37n83.9w]
      #5836102 - 05/02/13 11:36 AM

I had another great week exploring with these Habicht's. I've also the Nikon Premier SE 10x42 so I alternate when I take them out. It's been a lousy spring for binocular astronomy so instead of galaxies and clusters I've been looking at woodpeckers, white tailed deer and wild turkeys.

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