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scopethis
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Otto Piechowski]
      #5485617 - 10/23/12 04:42 PM

now we know why nothing out there comes to visit us...

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Otto Piechowski
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: scopethis]
      #5485676 - 10/23/12 05:08 PM

I actually floated that idea seriously here which you just stated, perhaps in jest.

Otto


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EJN
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Otto Piechowski]
      #5510498 - 11/08/12 08:28 PM

You do realize, I hope, that aliens are ALREADY HERE. They landed in Roswell,
and the U.S. Government - under their direction - has built a giant reprocessing
plant in Gatlinburg, TN, where people are taken (in black helicopters), and have
their brains sucked out and replaced with oatmeal, then are returned to their
everyday lives.

Positive proof of this is the sudden popularity of small aperture insanely expensive
apochromatic refractors. And the Kardashian Sisters.


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deSitter
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Skip]
      #5510581 - 11/08/12 09:23 PM

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Yeah. I'll bet that one required some serious protein folding.




ROFL!!!!

-drl


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Andy Taylor
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: EJN]
      #5510956 - 11/09/12 01:49 AM

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Positive proof of this is the sudden popularity of small aperture insanely expensive
apochromatic refractors. And the Kardashian Sisters.




Ever hung out in the eyepieces forum...?

Absolutely Bonkers - maybe alien thought processes would seem crazy to us.


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Pess
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Andy Taylor]
      #5516369 - 11/12/12 05:29 PM

The most intelligent speculators have been proved wrong time after time in the speculation of what parameters life requires.

For years it was thought something close to an Earth normal environment was necessary only to discover Extremophile time after time almost everywhere we looked in every niche examined.

I bet, in the full measure of time, we will find alien life living in the atmosphere of Jupiter and Venus, the depths of Europa and in the caves of Mars and pretty much all over the surface of Titan.

In fact, we just gave the inhabitants of Titan a leg-up on transistor technology.....

Pesse (We're all probably in trouble by violating the Universes Prime Directive...) Mist


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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Pess]
      #5517779 - 11/13/12 11:55 AM

I think I'd be willing to take that bet.

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Mister T
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Pess]
      #5517796 - 11/13/12 12:04 PM

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In fact, we just gave the inhabitants of Titan a leg-up on transistor technology.....

Pesse (We're all probably in trouble by violating the Universes Prime Directive...) Mist




OR...

We just proved to them how backwards as an intelligent species we really are!

they will soon be sending our stuff back to us reprogrammed to accept our terms of surrender.

resistance is futile


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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: llanitedave]
      #5518197 - 11/13/12 03:58 PM

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I think I'd be willing to take that bet.




Same here, I wonder how much Pess is willing to bet?
As a matter of fact, I will make it easy bet against proof of life on Mars being found not EVER existing with the qualification that we did not or do not bring it there.


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ColoHank
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #5518212 - 11/13/12 04:08 PM

Never say "never."

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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #5518749 - 11/13/12 09:42 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I think I'd be willing to take that bet.




Same here, I wonder how much Pess is willing to bet?
As a matter of fact, I will make it easy bet against proof of life on Mars being found not EVER existing with the qualification that we did not or do not bring it there.




The trick, of course, is that it's a bet I could never win. Life could be found on Mars next year, and I'd expect to pay up. (Happily, I might add). But we could explore a hundred years, find no living thing, but the question could still be regarded as "unsettled".

Still, I suspect for the long term it's a fairly safe bet for the most part. I would, however, leave Europa out of the equation. I think it might have some fairly reasonable possibilities.


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Jason H.
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: llanitedave]
      #5518829 - 11/13/12 10:31 PM

http://longbets.org/bets/

http://longbets.org/predictions/

Life on Mars? Don't bet against it After NASA findings, some bookies stop tak...


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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Jason H.]
      #5518863 - 11/13/12 10:57 PM

Interesting stuff.

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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Jason H.]
      #5519106 - 11/14/12 06:33 AM

Quote:

http://longbets.org/bets/

http://longbets.org/predictions/

Life on Mars? Don't bet against it After NASA findings, some bookies stop tak...




I have seen that site before, pretty neat.


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Mister T
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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: llanitedave]
      #5519132 - 11/14/12 07:28 AM

it's all about the benjamins...

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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Mister T]
      #5519663 - 11/14/12 03:05 PM

16:1 is still pretty good odds against.

Not that I think we're capable of putting any number on it at this point.


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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Qwickdraw]
      #5523087 - 11/16/12 03:43 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I think I'd be willing to take that bet.




Same here, I wonder how much Pess is willing to bet?
As a matter of fact, I will make it easy bet against proof of life on Mars being found not EVER existing with the qualification that we did not or do not bring it there.




On Mars specifically, how about a bottle of double malt Scotch?

Who would have thought just a short while ago that organisms exist and actually thrive in a Ph 1 solution?

Life was on Mars. Life is still there.

But, in regards to the bet, how does one 'prove' a negative?

Pesse (Besides, Aren't the kardasians proof positive of strange alien lifeforms?) Mist


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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: Pess]
      #5523090 - 11/16/12 03:45 PM

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Still, I suspect for the long term it's a fairly safe bet for the most part. I would, however, leave Europa out of the equation. I think it might have some fairly reasonable possibilities.




Oh c'mon, Europa is almost Earth's sister under the surface!

Pesse (You just love those Earthy nooks...) Mist


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Re: The silence is deafening.... new [Re: moynihan]
      #5526397 - 11/18/12 04:07 PM

A good read

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Re: The silence is deafening.... [Re: Andy Taylor]
      #5528181 - 11/19/12 03:22 PM

Andy-

Fermi has a few postulates that everyone seems to take as a 'given'.

For example, 'If 'this', 'this' and 'this' are true then it follows that we are alone in the Universe.

I believe the basic premise that, 'At any practical pace of interstellar travel, the galaxy can be completely colonized in just a few tens of millions of years.' makes an unwarranted assumption that I believe is false.

Once interstellar travel becomes easy, there would be no reason to re-enter a planets gravitational field. Everything needed to sustain life can be found without lugging it up & out of a planets gravity well.

Also as generations become accustomed to space travel they would be fearful of the wide open spaces and pressure of gravity on their bodies. Let's face it--low gee is a fun world to live in. Why would anyone live in 1G?

As an example, people lving underground or almost exclusively in caves find that suddenly thrust out into open areas cause extreme anxiety. Living for generations on a ship might make its inhabitants unwilling to depart for a planet.

So the Universe may be colonized already but planets are looked at solely as too much a pain in the butt to colonize and not worth the energy to extract resources from.

Pesse (We are basically living on what the Universe considers big garbage piles) Mist


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