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lamplight
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eyepiece opinions ?
      #5429631 - 09/19/12 05:57 PM

hi

new here.. new scope , new hobby. I've read a lot of great stuff on this board , some o which helped me decide on the celestron scope I just had delivered yesterday!!

I've read many of the eyepiece discussions here..which are making me think I'm better off returning the celestron kit to amazon while i can, and just buying a couple of eyieces and a Barlow. I was thinking highest magnification I can get away with on my scope (8" sct) , and something in the middle.. maybe 17mm.. (scope comes with 40mm)

what I'd like to know is what do YOU consider the next quality level up from

1) the generic celestron that comes with the scope?
2) what's the next level up from there?

I've read there are some limits on what to expect with magnification.. something about not expecting to much quality past a certain point.. with my scopes 2032mm focal length
3) what do you consider is the smallest mm eyepiece I should consider? and if I went with one of the high end ones I've read Bout like Nagler, would I be able to go higher magnification? this looks awesome.. don't know if that's too much for my scope though? 2.5mm Nagler eyepiece

thanks people, great forum!! clear skies tonight!! might just do the east skies from my covered deck since i have appointments in the morning..


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Troy Greenwald
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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: lamplight]
      #5429672 - 09/19/12 06:26 PM

IMHO, you can't go wrong buying the Explore Scientific 82 degree series eyepieces. I really like the wide field of view and the quality of the images is superb. These eyepieces were on sale for $100 - $150 each except for some of the heavier ones like 20mm or greater. They come in 2 inch and 1.25 inch varieties.

With your focal length I would start with a couple like the 11mm and the 18mm. I probably wouldn't go smaller than the 6.7mm model because an 8" scope probably isn't going to be able to go beyond the 300x that it would provide most of the time due to atmospheric conditions (seeing). If you get a barlow, get a 2 inch model so it can work with either size (2 inch or 1.25 inch) eyepiece. You can get a 2x 2 inch barlow for about $50 which would then double your eyepiece collection essentially.

Edited by Troy Greenwald (09/19/12 06:42 PM)


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Troy Greenwald]
      #5429748 - 09/19/12 07:13 PM

+1 on the Explore Scientific 82 degree EPs, I love mine. At a recent club event I had my XT10i pointed at M13 with the 8.8mm Explore Scientific in the focuser. One of the other members took a look at M13 and asked if it was a TeleVue EP. He even shined his red light on the EP to see what kind it was. :-)

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Mike4242]
      #5429806 - 09/19/12 07:55 PM

+2 on ES, which are still on sale at Astronomics and perhaps other dealers. Yes on 11mm and maybe something between 15 and 20mm and then, perhaps in a subsequent purchase, 24mm. You have a good scope that will be very forgiving of eyepieces. With that spread you would really not need a Barlow.

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: MikeBOKC]
      #5429813 - 09/19/12 08:01 PM

That 100mm 80* eyepiece from that other thread would be fantastic in that scope. Of course, you'll have to sell everything and live in the carton your scope came in.....

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5429830 - 09/19/12 08:12 PM

Congrats on your new scope. Is this your first scope ever?

You've got a Celestron eyepiece kit. What focal lengths are the eyepieces? If they are plossls I would just use those for awhile before you start purchasing different ones. Just test things out first and see if you want to dive deeper into this.

If you have already used your celestron eyepieces and are ready to upgrade then the ES eyepieces are all great.


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: lamplight]
      #5429917 - 09/19/12 09:05 PM

Lamplight:

Hello and Welcome to Cloudy Nights...

Eyepieces, there are lot of them and they are all quite good, particularly in a slower focal ratio telescope like your 8 inch SCT, it is easy on eyepieces.

When I owned an 8 inch SCT, I had three eyepieces and a 2X Barlow. The eyepieces were Celestron Plossls, the 32mm, the 17mm and the 10mm. That was enough, it provided me with magnifications from about 60x to about 400x. I rarely used much over 200x but in general, one rarely needs over 250x in a 8 inch scope with about 400x being the upper limit.

Eyepieces are mostly about personal taste, the sharpness in the center of the field where it most counts, you are only going to get subtle improvements by spending more... Big money buys eyepieces like the Naglers which offer those 82 degree TFoVs and for those with fast (F/4-F/5) telescopes, a sharpness across the field of view that is essentially perfect...

But right now, now is the time for you to discover the universe, no need for fancy eyepieces, just good eyepieces... Plossls, they are good eyepieces.

Jon Isaacs


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: lamplight]
      #5429944 - 09/19/12 09:17 PM

Most ep's will work well with your "slow" CPC800, if you want widefields the Explore scientific brands are on sale & have a good reputation! By the way a really high power 2.5mm ep will need good seeing (stable atmosphere) to use!

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Jon Isaacs
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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Shawn H]
      #5430020 - 09/19/12 10:08 PM

Quote:

Most ep's will work well with your "slow" CPC800, if you want widefields the Explore scientific brands are on sale & have a good reputation! By the way a really high power 2.5mm ep will need good seeing (stable atmosphere) to use!




A 2.5mm eyepiece in a scope with a 2032mm Focal length provides 812x. That is unrealistic for an 8 inch even with perfect seeing.

Jon


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Mike4242]
      #5430034 - 09/19/12 10:22 PM

Welcome to the hobby and a fine choice for your first telescope. The C8 was my first serious telescope when I returned to the hobby in the '80s.

Eyepiece choices are many, and you will want to consider many things before jumping in and buying them such as:
- Do you wear glasses? Why? If it's for astigmatism, then you may need/want to wear them observing. Near/Far sightedness does not require they be worn.
- What are your observing goals? Planets? Double stars? Galaxies? Planetary nebulae? All of the above?
- What are your plans for future telescope purchases, if any? Specifically speaking, do you see fast (f/5 or less) optics as a possibility? If so this may influence your selection.

The good news is at f/10 the C8 is very forgiving. It does not place huge demands on the eyepiece. You will do quite well to conserve cash and buy any of the many fine offerings that are available from Explore Scientific, University Optics, Astro-Tech, Meade, GSO and others have available. On the other hand if you plan to add a large, fast Dob down the road, you might be inclined to narrow your vendors/products to those that have better edge corrected designs such as Televue, Explore Scientific, University Optics Orthos, etc. The "right" choice now may well serve you a lifetime irrespective of the telescopes you choose to buy and sell down the road. (Well, until Televue introduces the 180degree AFOV Megos eyepiece design anyway )

If you wear eyeglasses for astigmatism Then eye relief will be important assuming you need to wear them to observe. I do have mild astigmatism, however, this is not noticeable for eyepiece/OTA combinations yielding an exit pupil smaller than about 2mm. This would be a 20mm or longer focal length eyepiece in the C8. And for those Televue offers the Dioptrx.

Though magnification is an obvious consideration, so is Total Field of View, or TFOV. Larger TFOVs can be achieved with eyepieces that have larger AFOVs. So it is with the 82, 100, 110 degree and larger AFOV products from Televue, Explore Scientific, and others. I prefer wide fields of view, some do not. You will need to decide what you like.

There is one basic rule of thumb to keep in mind, and that is that the maximum usable magnification for a telescope is around 50 to 60 x Aperture in inches, or 480x for the C8 and this would be on a near perfect night of seeing, and only good for resolving tight double stars, planetary nebulae, and planets. Typical seeing will reduce this by a third or more. That said, at a power of 812x, the 2.5mm Nagler is not well suited to a C8. You would be buying an eyepiece that you would be very disappointed in.

My high power eyepiece for use with my C8 was a 7mm Nagler and I found myself using the 11mm Nagler more often than the 7mm. I probably would recommend a 9mm or 11mm in lieu of a 7mm as there would be more nights you could use it. A 17mm would be an ideal mid-power eyepiece, great for DSOs, and your 40mm is a fine low power eyepiece. Add a quality 2x Barlow or Powermate and you will have a good selection of usable powers.

A great site for evaluating eyepiece and Barlow combinations is found here: http://www.davidpaulgreen.com/tec.html

Edited by GaryJCarter (09/19/12 10:27 PM)


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Dennis_S253
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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: GaryJCarter]
      #5430084 - 09/19/12 11:13 PM

Yep, from what I read 480X is max. I would look for something in the 250 to 350 range. 480 would be perfect conditions.

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Dennis_S253]
      #5430134 - 09/20/12 12:01 AM

"But right now, now is the time for you to discover the universe, no need for fancy eyepieces, just good eyepieces... Plossls, they are good eyepieces.". - Jon Isaac

+1

As a relative newb in this hobby myself, I have found it very easy to get caught up in the hype of better/fancier/pricier gear - I have purchased some things I really don't need or use. At the time I thought they were going to make me a better observer. Not so, only time at the plossl eyepiece has done that.

You just got a great piece of equipment - yesterday! - for looking deep into space. Wow! Cool! Enjoy it. Learn how to use it and the gear you bought... I humbly recommend that you give yourself two months then carefully and thoughtfully buy away.

Make sure you get a copy of Turn Left At Orion - the fourth edition is a fantastic resource and much better than the third edition.

Marcus


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5430145 - 09/20/12 12:11 AM

Quote:

Lamplight:

Hello and Welcome to Cloudy Nights...

Eyepieces, there are lot of them and they are all quite good, particularly in a slower focal ratio telescope like your 8 inch SCT, it is easy on eyepieces.

When I owned an 8 inch SCT, I had three eyepieces and a 2X Barlow. The eyepieces were Celestron Plossls, the 32mm, the 17mm and the 10mm. That was enough, it provided me with magnifications from about 60x to about 400x. I rarely used much over 200x but in general, one rarely needs over 250x in a 8 inch scope with about 400x being the upper limit.

Eyepieces are mostly about personal taste, the sharpness in the center of the field where it most counts, you are only going to get subtle improvements by spending more... Big money buys eyepieces like the Naglers which offer those 82 degree TFoVs and for those with fast (F/4-F/5) telescopes, a sharpness across the field of view that is essentially perfect...

But right now, now is the time for you to discover the universe, no need for fancy eyepieces, just good eyepieces... Plossls, they are good eyepieces.

Jon Isaacs




What an excellent post by Jon,and I couldn't agree more.

A telescope design like like an 8 inch F/10 isn't designed to fully exploit the potential of these modern 82 to 100° eyepiece designs. That fact doesn't make a good SCT an unworthy scope to own. Making sure you scope is collimated and properly cooled goes a long way to enjoying your scope and most eyepiece designs you care to use with it. A tracking mount along with your SCT makes choosing most eyepiece designs largely a non-factor for the majority of the intended targets of this type telescope design IME.

AFAIC,one telescope can't do it all in terms of giving optimum,all-around performance. To fully appreciate the Veil Nebula,obtaining a short focal length refractor and an 82° eyepiece design like the 31T5 Nagler provides the results I'm after. This same eyepiece/telescope combination leaves me wanting when trying to split the double star Delta Cygni.

Use the proper tool for the intended task.


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: MarcusE]
      #5430153 - 09/20/12 12:15 AM

I might even consider the Baader Hyperion zoom as a "first" eyepiece. My most-used one the last few years has been my 13mm Nagler Type 6. I bought it used, and expect my wife can sell it for what I paid for it when I die.

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lamplight
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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: imjeffp]
      #5430462 - 09/20/12 08:04 AM

this is incredible so far thanks,.. making me wonder if I should have got a faster scope.. the dobs are huge though.. I will respond more later.. work this morning. had nice viewing last night even if I didn't know what I was looking at.. looked up a few stars from an app on iPad but the same star names not in the scope computer.. will checkout that book. also checking out a Canadian magazine. went out again around 130am just to visually look and I so wished I had the scope setup again but too late...

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: lamplight]
      #5430554 - 09/20/12 09:24 AM

An 8 inch SCT is a great scope.

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: GOLGO13]
      #5430646 - 09/20/12 10:27 AM

Welcome to Cloudy Nights and your new hobby. Great time of year to get started. Lot's of stuff still out from the summer skies and getting cooler....Orion is just around the corner

Bob


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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: REC]
      #5430681 - 09/20/12 10:48 AM

Oooooo, it was beautiful at 5:45am this morning. There was Jupiter, Venus and Saturn in all their glory, and there, next to Venus and Jupiter--Orion. Of course, no scope..

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: lamplight]
      #5430846 - 09/20/12 12:24 PM

You have received and will continue to receive good suggestions on eyepieces. However, what you definitely need is a good 1.25" or 2"-1.25" Diagonal in case nobody mentioned, as they will hold your eyepieces better than the stock diagonal which is lousy.

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Re: eyepiece opinions ? new [Re: Maverick199]
      #5430993 - 09/20/12 01:49 PM

I am fairly new to this as well and just bought a new scope and lenses. Scope is the Orion XT8 and two Orion lenses Stratus 5mm EP and Q70 Super Wide Angle 26mm. I am really loving the 26mm but am finding the 5mm far less useful. It has been great for double stars but I staid up late last night to check out Jupiter and the Orion Nebula. I had expected the 5mm would be great for planetary viewing but was somewhat disappointed. I'm not sure if that lens is too much for the scope or if it was a problem related to the atmosphere or if I just have unrealistic expectations of the lens. I just don't seem to be able to get the 5mm in sharp focus. Next lens will likely be an Explore Scientific 82 degree in the midrange as has been recommended to me in another thread.

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