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#5432565 - 09/21/12 11:53 AM
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I would like opinions on my eyepiece choices for my XT10i f4.7 scope.
For reference, I am 54. I am assuming my dark adapted pupil would be in the 6mm range. I like planets and DSO's. So far, I've only used the 25 and 11 Plossl's that came with the scope, with pleasing results. I'm considering the ES 28mm 68 degree,for better wide field viewing and the ES 6.7mm 82 degree (backordered everywhere)for better planetary viewing. I plan on barlowing the 6.7mm with an Agena GSO 2x barlow to be made in the same purchase.
What do you think?
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#5432721 - 09/21/12 01:32 PM
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I've heard plossls give better quality views of planets than wide field eyepiece.
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#5432746 - 09/21/12 01:46 PM
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The ES68 28mm is a great performer and would give you a seemingly ideal 5.9mm exit pupil for a low power finder. I have used my ES 68 28mm in my observing buddy's XT10i for an entire observing session and found that you have to seat the eyepiece slightly higher in the focuser to get it to focus. FYI, he has the stock focuser on his XT10i.
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#5432853 - 09/21/12 02:32 PM
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Love the 10XTi. I'm 59, and I find I'm using the 24mm ES82 (old style), and the 11mmES82 the most. That 11mm really gives my 13mm Nagler a run for its money. these are wide-field eyepieces, which are great in that they reduce the "nudging" you need to do to keep the object in the FOV. While they may not be $600 naglers, they're as close as anybody, and at 1/3 the cost.
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Re: Eyepieces for XT10i
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#5432868 - 09/21/12 02:40 PM
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The ES 6.7mm and or the Meade UWA 6.7mm are great eyepieces. (I'm assuming they are pretty close to each other). I have the Meade one and it is one of my favorite eyepieces for the 10 inch newt. Great on DSOs. I don't use it on planets much but some people think they do well. I'll need to test that out sometime. I guess even if it does OK, it's good with the non-tracking dob since you won't have to nudge as much.
I use the 24mm Meade SWA (similar to the ES 24mm) for low power. I suppose the 28mm would work also.
With a fast scope, it can be best to buy a little better eyepieces if you can. Meaning Televue mostly...but the ES or Meades are good value eyepieces which probably get you 80% or so of the Televue equivilents. So if money is tight they are good choices.
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#5432977 - 09/21/12 03:31 PM
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I would like opinions on my eyepiece choices for my XT10i f4.7 scope. For reference, I am 54. I am assuming my dark adapted pupil would be in the 6mm range. I like planets and DSO's. So far, I've only used the 25 and 11 Plossl's that came with the scope, with pleasing results. I'm considering the ES 28mm 68 degree,for better wide field viewing and the ES 6.7mm 82 degree (backordered everywhere)for better planetary viewing. I plan on barlowing the 6.7mm with an Agena GSO 2x barlow to be made in the same purchase.
What do yo think?
Well, a 6mm exit pupil would be a 28mm eyepiece, yielding about 42X, a little low for a low power in a 10". I recommend, if you'd like a minimalist set applicable to most objects, a set of 3 with magnifications of 50X-60X (low power, wide field), 100-120X (medium power, most DSOs, planets when seeing is mediocre), and 150-180X (high power, small DSOs, double stars, planets, Moon). Then, if you need to, supplement the set with a really nice Barlow lens for Very high power (200-240X) and ultrahigh power (300-360X).
Some people like to add magnifications clustered around their favorite magnifications. Here's the key: The wider the field of view of the eyepiece, the fewer eyepieces you can get by with. The reason is, higher power eyepieces will still have a large enough field of view to give a nice view. In my f/5 dob, for instance, a 100 degree field eyepiece can have a large enough field of view to be used as a "finder" eyepiece AND have a high enough power to provide magnification high enough to examine DSOs.
There are many ways to create a basic eyepiece set. For a beginner, I suggest starting out with 1X/2X/3X where X= a particular magnification based on aperture. For a 10", I think X=50 or 60 is great.
Just remember, telescopes come and go, but eyepieces seem to be around forever, so it's worth really looking into it before you buy.
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Re: Eyepieces for XT10i
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#5433054 - 09/21/12 04:14 PM
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Very interesting, Starman.
So, how important is exit pupil in eyepiece selection? If I go to 24 to get closer to the 50-60X for low power, the exit pupil becomes 5.1. Will that be a problem for these older eyes?
I'm assuming you would recommend an 8mm over the 6.7 to stay in the 150X range?
Thanks.
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#5433070 - 09/21/12 04:24 PM
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That ES82* 24mm will probably turn out to be your favorite. It is mine. Once you hit your 50's your exit pupil "shrinks". Sorry, that's just the way it is. It usually settles down to about 5mm, which is right where that 24mm sweet spot is. As a rule, anything less then a 1mm exit pupil (that's how "wide" the light beam is coming out of the eyepiece) starts getting harder to see as the light beam can't "strike" more then a handfull of your eye's rods/cones), at less then 1/2mm exit pupil, it becomes pretty much impossible to align your eye to the eyepiece. General recommendation is that your highest power eyepiece shouldn't be any higher then the speed of your scope (i.e. a 10" f4.7 reflector shouldn't use any smaller eyepiece then a 4.7mm). You may, ON RARE OCCASIONS, go higher then this, but viewing has to be fantastic, and, as said before, the view starts falling apart expecially once you hit 0.5mm exit pupil.
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#5433095 - 09/21/12 04:42 PM
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Thanks, Randy. Sounds like the ES82 24mm may be the way to go.
Of the 6.7mm and the 8.8mm ES82's, which do you prefer?
Lastly, I have heard many good things about the GSO 2X Barlow. Does anybody have other recommendations that won't break the bank? Will it play well with the ES82 eyepieces?
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#5433162 - 09/21/12 05:27 PM
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Thanks, Randy. Sounds like the ES82 24mm may be the way to go.
Of the 6.7mm and the 8.8mm ES82's, which do you prefer?
Lastly, I have heard many good things about the GSO 2X Barlow. Does anybody have other recommendations that won't break the bank? Will it play well with the ES82 eyepieces?
The idea I outlined presumes that you would like to have eyepieces you can ALWAYS use, i.e. magnifications that won't be overwhelmed by poor seeing conditions. With a 1200mm focal length, anything from 6.7mm to 8mm would be a great choice for a high power eyepiece. When I had a scope with a 1280mm focal length, I could ALWAYS use an 8.8mm, but the 6.7 was occasionally getting into "damaged by poor seeing" area.
Now, assuming your scope is well-collimated, and well cooled (on a 10", you WILL need a fan), then bad seeing is likely to pop up in that 150-180X range. Somewhere in that range, you'll start noticing that seeing is causing a lot of scintillation of the images. So, lower in that range (150X), you're a little less likely to be bothered by poor seeing than in the upper part of that range (180X). It does depend a lot on where you view.
And today's high quality barlows really don't damage the image quality, though, as you can see, you'll push the magnification into the "seeing dependent" range very easily.
The GSO 2X, 2" ED barlow is a fine barlow, and it's usable for both sizes of eyepieces. And produces two magnifications for each eyepiece. Here's how [by the way, the Astrotech 2" 2X ED barlow is the same thing]: For higher magnification (2X), insert the barlow in the focuser and the eyepiece into the barlow. Use the provided adapter for 1.25" eyepieces. For lower magnification(1.5X), unthread the lens assembly from the barrel of the barlow and thread it directly to a 2" eyepiece. For 1.25" eyepieces, thread the barlow lens directly onto the 1.25"-2" adapter provided and use the eyepiece in the adapter. Be careful not to let the eyepiece barrel hit the lens, though. Pre-check the insertion depth of your eyepieces in the adapter and use a longer adapter if you are afraid your 1.25" eyepieces will hit the barlow lens. As you can guess, the distance the lens of the barlow sits away from the eyepiece determines its magnification. If you pull the eyepiece slightly out of the barlow and re-tighten the setscrew and then refocus, you've just increased the magnification slightly. Having a lens that unthreads from the body of the barlow and which threads into eyepieces makes this a versatile barlow. In that way, you can increase the magnification a bit when you want to "push the seeing" without going all the way into tiny exit pupil/poor seeing territory. That makes an 8mm eyepiece very practical because it can also be a 5.3mm and a 4mm for those very occasional times seeing allows the higher power.
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#5433263 - 09/21/12 06:52 PM
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Since I have a 25 mm now, would you recommend I go with a 24 or 28 mm?
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#5433284 - 09/21/12 07:09 PM Attachment (34 downloads)
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I'd go with the 24 82* compared to the 28 68* because you have a larger FOV and slightly more magnification. I've attached an eyepiece chart that shows the comparison. And, this is MY personal experience, others might feel differently, the 82* work far better in my 10XTi then my 68* do. The background is darker and the 82* are sharp to the edge, whereas the 68* get a littl fuzzy in the last 5-10* of the field. Now, my 24mm is the old style, nonwaterproof. The thing is the size of a small house and equals the Terminagler in weight. The newer version is waterproof, but I believe has the same lens setup. From what I've read around here, it's also a fantastic eyepiece. Being a different version won't affect the specs on the chart. If you note on the chart, the 24 82* will give you 50X mag, which is an ideal spot, as Starman pointed out.
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#5433301 - 09/21/12 07:19 PM Attachment (17 downloads)
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Don, thanks for that great tip with the GSO 2x 2" ED barlow. I had no idea that the 2"/1.25" adapter was threaded, how nice. Below is a picture of the setup to help visualize it.
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#5433623 - 09/21/12 11:09 PM
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Randy,
Your eyepiece chart attachment was gibberish when I opened it. (?) Thanks for the recommendations, though, especially from a fellow XT10i owner.
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#5433887 - 09/22/12 05:50 AM
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Once you hit your 50's your exit pupil "shrinks". Sorry, that's just the way it is.
That may be generally the case but each of us is an individual and it may or may not be the case for us as an individual.
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#5434055 - 09/22/12 09:01 AM
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I have to agree with Csrlice12, the 24mm 82 degree eyepiece is a very good choice. I can see the entire Pleiades comfortably at one time with my 10-inch F/4.5 through that eyepiece, and it takes in the Double Cluster with space to space through my 15-inch. Stars are sharp to the edge even at f/4.5 thanks to a Paracorr, which raises the focal ratio to about F/5.2.
Taras
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#5434214 - 09/22/12 11:04 AM
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Here's a CN article on the ES82 24mm (old style). The New waterproof versions I belive have the same lens setup. They chopped off some of the weight because the outer casing on the old style was heavy (eyepiece weighs 2.2 lbs). http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=2481
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#5437171 - 09/23/12 11:15 PM
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So, what about the 6.7mm vs the 8.8mm?
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#5437644 - 09/24/12 08:47 AM
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Both are great eyepieces. The 8.8 barlows well, haven't had good enough weather to even try barlowing the 6.7, but both give fantastic views. I was seening bands on Saturn a few months ago even before the sun set with the 6.7. Some of the 8.8s had a flaring problem if the moon was close to the FOV, but most installed a felt pad or disk around the field stop and it cleared up. Haven't noticed it with mine. To be truthful, if you could only afford one, get the 8.8 if you have a barlow. I recommend both, however, but then, I'm an ESaholic and recommend you buy the 4.7 too...
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#5438240 - 09/24/12 02:51 PM
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Randy, Finally opened your eyepiece attachment on a PC at work and it opened. I forgot I don't have MS Office on my mac. Anyway, great info! I'm trying hard to keep my eye piece purchases simple for now.
Thanks to all for the input. Very helpful.
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