Return to the Cloudy Nights Telescope Reviews home pageAstronomics discounts for Cloudy Nights members
· Get a Cloudy Nights T-Shirt · Submit a Review / Article

Click here if you are having trouble logging into the forums

Privacy Policy | Please read our Terms of Service | Signup and Troubleshooting FAQ | Problems? PM a Red or a Green Gu… uh, User

Astrophotography and Sketching >> DSLR & Digital Camera Astro Imaging & Processing

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)
pfile
Carpal Tunnel


Reged: 06/14/09

Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: jgraham]
      #5470388 - 10/14/12 07:25 PM

oh it is a mono DSI, but first generation. that could be the problem. at any rate i'm sure the lodestar is more sensitive, but now the obstacle is getting it to focus.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
pfile
Carpal Tunnel


Reged: 06/14/09

Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: pfile]
      #5476129 - 10/18/12 12:11 AM

so - as far as i can tell, the only T to S-thread adapter that makes the lodestar compatible with the lacerta OAG is teleskop-service's 4mm thick adapter:

http://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/product_info.php/language/en/info/p2838_Adaptor-T2-female-on-C-Mount-male---only-4mm-length.html

even still, it is maybe 1-2mm away from perfect focus. while slightly out of focus guidestars are thought to be good, at high f/ratios it's kind of a compromise. i'd rather have more brighter and tightly-focused stars than faint out-of-focus stars.

still the setup is guiding better than it ever has. i've got an RMS error of 0.40 pixels with 500 samples showing. i think my guider image scale is in the neighborhood of 1.5 arcsec/px. round stars at 1100mm (which is not that much of a challenge) but still. this is on a losmandy G11 with a stock worm, and a bad one (25 arcseconds pk-pk PE, with some pretty steep slopes here and there.) between 7 minute exposures i've got 0.5px of drift in each direction, which works out to 0.44 arcseconds per axis or 0.62 arc sec total. so whatever DF there is is pretty minimal.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
bilgebay
Post Laureate
*****

Reged: 11/06/08

Loc: Türkiye - Istanbul and Marmari...
Re: DSLR OAG questions [Re: pfile]
      #5476305 - 10/18/12 03:26 AM

What about using this one ?

http://agenaastro.com/lumicon-female-t-thread-to-1-25-female-adapter.html

You should come to focus with that easily...

Of course, with your current c-to-t adaptor you should reach the focus as well...naturally, you should push the camera on the shaft more until you reach focus. Is there something that hinders you from doing this ?

Sedat


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
pfile
Carpal Tunnel


Reged: 06/14/09

Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: bilgebay]
      #5477532 - 10/18/12 06:28 PM

maybe that style of coupling would give the 1-2mm i need, who knows.

Quote:

you should push the camera on the shaft more until you reach focus. Is there something that hinders you from doing this ?




yeah, the body of the DSLR the flange is crashing into the bottom of the camera now. maybe i could grind it down a bit. to be honest i'd like to re-design the shaft and the guide camera coupler like you did so that they are not so fragile, as you have.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
zytrahus
professor emeritus


Reged: 06/16/09

Loc: Long Beach, CA
Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: pfile]
      #5477562 - 10/18/12 06:56 PM

Quote:

so - as far as i can tell, the only T to S-thread adapter that makes the lodestar compatible with the lacerta OAG is teleskop-service's 4mm thick adapter:

http://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/product_info.php/language/en/info/p2838_Adaptor-T2-female-on-C-Mount-male---only-4mm-length.html

even still, it is maybe 1-2mm away from perfect focus. while slightly out of focus guidestars are thought to be good, at high f/ratios it's kind of a compromise. i'd rather have more brighter and tightly-focused stars than faint out-of-focus stars.

still the setup is guiding better than it ever has. i've got an RMS error of 0.40 pixels with 500 samples showing. i think my guider image scale is in the neighborhood of 1.5 arcsec/px. round stars at 1100mm (which is not that much of a challenge) but still. this is on a losmandy G11 with a stock worm, and a bad one (25 arcseconds pk-pk PE, with some pretty steep slopes here and there.) between 7 minute exposures i've got 0.5px of drift in each direction, which works out to 0.44 arcseconds per axis or 0.62 arc sec total. so whatever DF there is is pretty minimal.




Were you able to get PEMpro working for you? My G11 was 20arcsec+ peak to peak and PEC brought it down to ~10. I've been having problems with PEC dropping I'm not sure why but I plan on trying the PEC training that's built in the G2. Have you tried that? A smaller PE should make your guider work less hard.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
pfile
Carpal Tunnel


Reged: 06/14/09

Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: zytrahus]
      #5477609 - 10/18/12 07:23 PM

i have not returned to the PEMPro problem. yes - i have trained PEC using the built-in PEC training with success, but when you pull that curve into PEMPro, you can see that it's pretty crude; lots of discrete steps and not smooth at all. but it does seem to work. the residual seems kind of high.

i saw your post on the gemini list about losing the PEC training. i guess there were no replies to that? i feel like G2 still has a lot of random bugs here and there. sometimes it seems to stop responding to guide inputs, or it does crazy stuff in response to a guide input.

anyway i think getting a good PEC curve is going to be critical for me, unless i just upgrade to one of the better worms. for now the weather has been clear (2 nights without any fog at all!) so i've just been fooling around getting some lights with the AT6+TRF2008. eventually i want to put the AT10RC up there with the OAG and see what happens.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
zytrahus
professor emeritus


Reged: 06/16/09

Loc: Long Beach, CA
Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: pfile]
      #5477626 - 10/18/12 07:35 PM

What kind of peak to peak error did you get with PEC training? I haven't played with it and still wonder how exactly it works. Would autoguiding for multiple worm cycle tend to average the PEC curve and make it a little smoother?

Nope, no response yet about PEC dropping randomly. I will try to do a Clear CMOS before next session to see if that fixes the problem.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
pfile
Carpal Tunnel


Reged: 06/14/09

Re: DSLR OAG questions new [Re: zytrahus]
      #5477649 - 10/18/12 08:03 PM

well, i never took proper notes so now i can't remember. now that i have the lodestar i can put the DSI back on the finderscope - it's a little easier to look at the corrected/uncorrected PEC that way.

i'm not sure either what the 1x/2x/3x/4x worm period setting does. as you suggest it either averages the curves together, or it actually somehow keeps track of the worm cycle and has a curve that's up to 4x as long as the worm period. i keep meaning to ask but i felt like the only 'proper' way to record/set a PEC curve was with PEMPro so i have not asked on the G2 mailing list yet.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | (show all)


Extra information
12 registered and 30 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  fishonkevin, tecmage 

Print Thread

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled


Thread views: 1867

Jump to

CN Forums Home


Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics